Proof that Novel blurbs are canon

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No, a breach of contract would be for Del Rey to publish a SW book outside of the [b]LucasBooks imprint, the Lucas company and publishing arm of Lucasfilm that publishers like Dey Rey (and DK, and Titan etc.) have the rights to create SW liscensed out to. Much in the same way that independent authors like Drew, who are not Lucas companies, and whom often write content for other universes, like Mass Effect, are liscensed as authors by LucasBooks.

Or in other words yes, the blurb is produced by Lucasfilm, or rather Lucasbooks, a Lucas company, just through a series of third parties. And yes, all of it is ultimately owned by them. Case in point, on the back cover of the Darth Plagueis novel, right beneath the blurb, is the following:

So yeah, it's canon. 👆 [/B]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprint_(trade_name)

"A single publishing company may have multiple imprints, with the different imprints often used by the publisher to market works to different demographic consumer segments. For example, the objective of Viking—an imprint of the Penguin Group—is "to publish a strictly limited list of good nonfiction, such as biography, history and works on contemporary affairs..."

So, Del Rey will publish books for people under their imprint. A Star Wars book will be published by Del Rey, under "Lucasbooks" for the purpose of marketing. To show it's a legitimate Lucas product, and not someone else writing Star Wars books.

I don't think this changes my point:

Rights to advertise and sell (meaning the cover art, blurb and so on): Del Rey under the moniker of Lucasbooks or whoever they publish for.

Rights to the intellectual property that is Star Wars (the characters in the book, film rights until they are sold, etc): Lucasfilms.

I guess my question boils down to this: how can Del Rey have authority over intellectual property that isn't theirs? How can Lucas have authority over advertising material they sold the rights to?

I'm sorry ILS, but Chee specifically said "EVERYthing else" in his quote regarding what was formerly known as "C canon", now Legends.

You may have your own opinion on the matter, and that's fine, but I do not see why advertisement blurbs would not be included in it. You may make all sorts of excuses about Del Rey and shit but in the end there's is nothing outright stating they aren't canon, and they are ultimately part of the same books as the stories themselves.

And as Beni already explained, Lucasbooks - a Lucas company - owns the blurbs. So yes, they are canon.

Originally posted by Azronger
I'm sorry ILS, but Chee specifically said "EVERYthing else" in his quote regarding what was formerly known as "C canon", now Legends.

Lucas didn't go to a publisher and sell the rights to sell and advertise their book so they could... still own the rights to sell and advertise their book.

Del Rey is a company independent of Star Wars, who sell Star Wars books, and they put the "Lucasbooks" imprint on the cover for marketing purposes. At least, that's my conclusion at the moment.

but I do not see why advertisement blurbs would not be included in it. You may make all sorts of excuses about Del Rey and shit but in the end there's is nothing outright stating they aren't canon, and they are ultimately part of the same books as the stories themselves.

For the record though, I wouldn't mind blurbs being canon.

"But first, their fearsome apprentice must take on a bloodthirsty prison warden, a cannibal gang, cutthroat crime lord Jabba the Hutt, and an unspeakable alien horror. No one else could brave such a gauntlet of death and live. But no one else is the dreaded dark-side disciple known as Darth Maul."

-Maul: Lockdown, Hardcover, Internal Flap

The ultimate enforcer, Darth Maul, continues his single-handed decimation of the ranks of the galactic crime syndicate Black Sun.

Dooku is one of Yoda's greatest adversaries and facing him on Vjun is one of his fiercest battles he'll ever face(include the tussle with Sheev):

"As the Clone Wars rage, Jedi Master Yoda must once again face one of his greatest adversaries—Count Dooku….
The savage Clone Wars have forced the Republic to the edge of collapse. During the height of battle, one Jedi Knight escapes the carnage to deliver a message to Yoda on Coruscant. It appears Dooku wants peace and demands a rendezvous. Chances are slim that the treacherous Count is sincere, but with a million lives at stake, Yoda has no choice.
The meeting will take place on Vjun, a planet steeped in evil. The challenge could not be more difficult. Can Yoda win back his once promising pupil from the dark side, or will Count Dooku unleash his sinister forces against his former mentor? Either way, Yoda is sure of one thing: This battle will be one of the fiercest he'll ever face."

@ILS, that's the typical function of an imprint yes. But that's not the point, the point is that this imprint, LucasBooks, is owned by Lucasfilm, and in that respect is a Lucasfilm "company" all in itself, the right to publish under the imprint having been liscensed to Del Rey. You'll also find this imprint on other books, like the SWTORE, which was published by DK.

What your point seems to boil down to is that Del Rey is a third party, and therefore the blurbs were produced by them, not Lucasfilm. But my point is that, like the author, they are simply producing the book of Lucasfilm's behalf, under the liscense of a Lucas company, which should be considered the same thing. (And yes, the IP of the blurb - i.e. the characters & events being commented on - are Lucasfilm's. And no, Lucasfilm hasn't sold the rights to anything, only given Del Rey permission.)

On the other hand if you're to argue that as a third party, Del Rey and anything they produce is not to be considered canon, the same logic must be applied to the author. Which would naturally invalidate SW canon wholesale.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Dooku is one of Yoda's greatest adversaries and facing him on Vjun is one of his fiercest battles he'll ever face(include the tussle with Sheev):

>"One of"
>Character opinion

Shit attempt to wank Dooku.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
@ILS, that's the typical function of an imprint yes. But that's not the point, the point is that this imprint, LucasBooks, is owned by Lucasfilm, and in that respect is a Lucasfilm "company" all in itself, the right to publish under the imprint having been liscensed to Del Rey. You'll also find this imprint on other books, like the SWTORE, which was published by DK.

What your point seems to boil down to is that Del Rey is a third party, and therefore the blurbs were produced by them, not Lucasfilm. But my point is that, like the author, they are simply producing the book of Lucasfilm's behalf, under the liscense of a Lucas company, which should be considered the same thing. (And yes, the IP of the blurb - i.e. the characters & events being commented on - are Lucasfilm's. And no, Lucasfilm hasn't sold the rights to anything, only given Del Rey permission.).

Thus, blurbs can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, like the rest of the EU.

I'm not fully subscribed to the idea since I still have little clue how it works legally, and I won't use novel blurbs unless the other party wants to as well (because honestly, I feel like if you have to go to a novel blurb for information that isn't inside the book itself, it's not really a strong argument to begin with), but I'll go with this for now.

And I'm also going to start looking through them for funny shit.

Could be worth asking someone from Del Rey/Lucasbooks or whatever for clarification.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
>"One of"
>Character opinion

Shit attempt to wank Dooku.

LMAO. It ain't no character opinion you dumb fugg, it's a blurb.

Originally posted by ILS
That makes sense. So your argument in a nutshell is that, regardless of who wrote the blurb, the fact that Lucasfilms licensed it means they approve of the contents; which in essence does put blurbs in the same category as "everything", as Leland said. Del Rey doesn't own the contents of the blurb/cover, but they were given permission by Lucas to sell it on their behalf and take a share of the profits.

Thus, blurbs can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, like the rest of the EU.

I'm not fully subscribed to the idea since I still have little clue how it works legally, and I won't use novel blurbs unless the other party wants to as well (because honestly, I feel like if you have to go to a novel blurb for information that isn't inside the book itself, it's not really a strong argument to begin with), but I'll go with this for now.

I'm not sure there is anything to be gained in regards to legal rights as such, given the word "ownership" isn't the qualification of canon in any source I'm aware of. All I can be sure of though is that Del Rey can't do anything SW related, whether it be write a blurb or a book, without being commissioned to do so. And publish SW books under the LucasBooks umbrella.

And I'm also going to start looking through them for funny shit.

I guess it just boils down to "agree to disagree" in the end. Although I'll still tackle your post on CV, if you don't mind, ILS.

By all means.

Originally posted by MythLord
LMAO. It ain't no character opinion you dumb fugg, it's a blurb.

"Yoda is sure of one thing."

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
So we're taking the Bane book cover quote and the Plaggy one at face value now?

Christ.

What's the Bane quote again?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
"Yoda is sure of one thing."

I was actually referring to "one of his greatest adversaries" bit. mmm

Originally posted by |King Joker|
What's the Bane quote again?

If the dark side's most powerful master can capture the ultimate secret, the Sith will never die—and neither will Darth Bane.

Originally posted by MythLord
I was actually referring to "one of his greatest adversaries" bit. mmm

For which I replied "one of". Out of the 2 named 😂