ILS, your argument is interesting. Interesting in the sense that it rests on a blatant double-standard that is ignored by you and every other member who considers the feat impressive. For whatever reason, you dismiss the quotes provided by the characters in Shadow of Revan, and yet consistently cite the Darth Plagueis novel as an impartial and absolute source. What's funny is that the Darth Plagueis novelization reads from the perspective of a third-person limited narrator that has, perhaps, the most biased pro-Sith view out of any novelization ever pushed in the Star Wars universe. Of course, however, let's ignore that, and yet dismiss characters like Lana Beniko or Spindrall, who have no emotional attachment to their claims and have proven to be masters of farseeing or sense capabilities.
[which is not entirely different from the linked video below - a Force user's presence having a lasting impact on another's senses, even over great distances.]
It's absolutely different. Firstly, the other Jedi and Sith didn't feel this. Only Dooku made note of it, principally due to the fact that he shares a connection and history with Savage Opress. Secondly, Dooku merely notes of how Savage Opress is getting stronger and that events are in motion that can threaten him. The characters in Shadow of Revan mention not a character getting stronger, but the disturbance in the Force increasing, encompassing nearly all aspects of the Force to the point where it's potentially affecting the minds of those in the galaxy. Not only is no comparison to be made, but the sheer thought that any parallel can be drawn is horrifying.
Starting from this paragraph is important for what follows; the premise is that, even without an innate talent for, say, Sith Sorcery, one can become a master of the art through sheer willpower; in other words, by exerting your will over the Force, to make the impossible possible.
Revan's done that by literally resurrecting his corpse from the dead without the use of anything other than his willpower, which is an unrivaled feat in Star Wars. In the cases of Darth Krayt and Darth Maul, those characters never actually died, but rather reached the brink of death. Revan was fully killed and came back to life, as remarked by a number of sources at the event.
It’s suggested that Plagueis does not know of any other Sith to have been capable of recreating what he is going to do in the later text; however, he knows who Vitiate is, which I think is telling.
This another consistent theme in your post. On how characters like Vitiate "failed" to accomplish this, but Darth Plagueis and Palpatine succeeded.
What Darth Plagueis, and you, fail to realize is that Vitiate never even tried to do this in the first place.
Revan’s shit wasn’t felt by absolutely anyone with a connection to the Force, trained or otherwise. Pretty telling that this is a bigger deal. The Force hasn’t just gone through a “mere paradigm shift”, i.e a change in pattern, or “disturbance”, but rather a “tangible alteration”. In other words, a change that feels so real you can touch it, which suggests something of greater permanency than just feeling Revan or Savage Opress from across the galaxy.
The quote you are referring two doesn't state "absolutely anyone with a connection to the Force," but rather anyone "strong in the Force." Revan's disturbance in the Force, based on all existing evidence we have, falls likewise in the same category. That being said, I have no clue why you're attributing "a chance in pattern" to not a "tangible alteration," because that blatantly fits the description." If something is changed, it is altered. If something is felt, it is tangible. In the case of Revan's unbalancing, The Force was both altered and the result was a tangible recognition of such.
Revan did not challenge the Force - the universal, all-binding energy field which pervades every living thing and exerts it’s will via Midichlorians - for sovereignty. He did not suffuse - spread through/over - the entire galaxy with the Dark Side, bearing in mind that this is only one aspect of a “Force” that is made up of equal parts “Light Side”, which even when it is disturbed or out of perfect balance, retains enough amounts of both that it does not rebalance itself naturally. He did not “age etheric war”, “bringing his will to bear” and eventually make the Force “yield” “as if some deity had been tipped from it’s throne.”
And yet the end result was nearly identical. 😂 That's exactly my entire point. Palpatine and Darth Plagueis go through this extensive, elaborate process and yet the end result is still comparable to what Revan is doing by just strolling around. Revan's mere presence is a blatant challenge to the Force, because it constitutes as a threat that is disturbing its very fabric. The disturbance that Revan's mere presence caused was "spread through" the entire galaxy, being felt by both Jedi and Sith alike. And for the final quote, again, this is from the perspective of Darth Plagueis and Palpatine. The fact you actually take that at face value is ridiclous, since we know that the Force did not "yield," since the text earlier makes note that it didn't fight back at all. Palpatine wrongfully assumed that this was due to their sheer power and will, but rather the Force opted to simply create the Chosen One to enact its will against them.
As we know, the result of this was that the Dark Side clouded the senses of every Jedi, including Yoda, even during their deepest meditations. They couldn’t sense Sidious’ presence in either those meditations or right in front of him. Hell, Sidious before TPM gave Maul distant tours of the Jedi temple and the Jedi were none-the-wiser.
A plethora of sourcebooks also attribute this to the dark side nexus that existed directly below the Jedi Temple, as established by the Legends publication of Force and Destiny.
[Anything to do with midichlorian manipulation]
It's a more impressive display of willpower to directly rise from the dead than to study and gradually manipulate midichlorians over the course of years. I don't know how the former could conceivably be considered more impressive. That being said, the author directly stated in an interview that midichlorian manipulation has nothing to do with power, but rather Darth Plagueis' motivation and determination. Thus, anything involving it doesn't impress me. And that makes sense, too, since The Jedi Path states that *anything* is possible given enough time or concentration. I have no clue why midichlorian manipulation also doesn't fall under that umbrella. What's actually impressive is events where Force-users display their power or will immediately, since it can be translated to combat situations and compared with other characters.
”Newfound power” and “an even more unthinkable act” again pointing out that since the domination of the Force itself, Plagueis has only been going further, and growing more powerful, since then.
From the perspective of Darth Plagueis. 👇
So he tries to create life, immaculate conception of a Forceful being. Now, from what I can tell, it wasn’t Plagueis that created Anakin Skywalker, but rather the Force conceived Anakin Skywalker in response to Plagueis’ machinations, to return itself to balance. In other words, it created a living plot device, the most powerful Force user imaginable, to put an end to Plagueis’ domination of the Force. To once again bring Light into the galaxy and take back control from the Dark.
No, that's wrong. As per Palpatine, Anakin Skywalker's creation was a product of the months of deep meditation, not Darth Plagueis' meddling he did afterwards.
Plagueis blots out the Light Side almost completely, in other words the Jedi are nearly eradicated, but there is still a tiny sliver of light left - Luke Skywalker. And when the Dark Side was defeated, it’s domination over the Light Side lifted, the Light shone immensely. Which, I suppose, is another way of saying that, in the space of minutes, Sidious and Vader both died, leaving only the last Jedi left.
No he hasn't. Darth Maul remarked that the Force felt out-of-balance with the start of the Clone Wars, thus meaning it was seemingly in a state of balance prior. That being stated, again, the biased narrator is not a legitimate source for these absurd claims that "hur, Darth Plagueis cleansed the galaxy of the entire light side!" which is blatantly untrue.
So, really, some key points to establish:
- Midichlorian manipulation has nothing to do with Force power.
- Revan's feat is directly comparable with the unbalancing considering circumstances.
- The narrator of the Darth Plagueis novelization is not omniscient.
- Anakin Skywalker was a product of the duo's war, not Darth Plagueis' solo war.
- Vitiate never attempted to unbalance the Force in the first place.
- Anything is possible given enough time and concentration.
So, in my eyes, you're foaming out the mouth on something that's not impressive. Frankly, if I could list the top hundred most impressive Force feats in history, neither the unbalancing nor midichlorian manipulation makes the list. While I expect you, and anyone else associated with the blasphemous Darth Plagueis Brigade, to completely ignore what the author stated concerning midichlorian manipulation (i.e. that it has nothing to do with power), and likewise completely take everything the Darth Plagueis novel to heart without considering what side is being portrayed there (i.e. that of the Sith), don't expect me to not laugh over it. 😉