Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Count Dooku (Sabers only)

Originally posted by Emperordmb
So... Obi-Wan has a passive aggressive fighting style? Sounds pretty bitchy to me tbh and nothing like Obi-Wan

Just look at that beard! Obi-Wan aint no *****

I would rather describe it as neutral which seems more like Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Because if he would fully employ Soresu then he would let the opponents come to him rather then meeting them head-on.

It's not as if he never uses Ataru. He also does that sort of thing in the films as well. Although in fairness, Nick Gillard does claim that Obi-Wan is aggressive.

The he would be using Ataru more then Soresu? Anyway he could very well be utilizing Soresu but I'm just countering the "Obi-Wan gets pushed back so he's just employing Soresu" excuse.

Going toe-to-toe with people doesn't mean he's using Ataru.

It's never definitive, but it's clear that Obi-Wan's style revolves around falling back as well. That would be the basis of their claim.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Going toe-to-toe with people doesn't mean he's using Ataru.

It's never definitive, but it's clear that Obi-Wan's style revolves around falling back as well. That would be the basis of their claim.

To be honest it doesn't really matter to me which form he's employing just that falling back willfully isn't part of it.

Is it? Even in RotS when fighting Grievous he only falls back to lure Grievous on the catwalk butfor the rest? I'm not sure how falling back has ever been Kenobi's main way to go.

That's outright stated in the RotS novel, lol. As far as Legends goes, that's one of the principle elements of Obi-Wan's fighting style. Animations and technicalities don't take precedence over that.

Animation does in canon since that's Obi-Wan main source of portrayal. In legends, IIRC it was only by the time of LoE that Kenobi fully employed Soresu (Anakin made a remark or something about it).

Originally posted by SunRazer
I didn't say he gave up his Soresu defense. But citing that Soresu's efficiency in such a location was a major advantage is wrong because the novel makes it clear, IIRC, that the brothers were taken back by Obi-Wan's use of Ataru.

No it says they were taken back by him going on the offensive.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
To be honest it doesn't really matter to me which form he's employing just that falling back willfully isn't part of it.

He falls back against Ventress in TCW movie even though he was stomping her.

Even his 1 v 1 against Maul on Florrum, notice he keeps falling back on his own accord and not because Maul is forcing him back.

In every exchange, Obi-Wan gave ground. It was his way.
--Revenge of the Sith

But this shitty quote doesn't mean anything since we all know DD9's retarded TCW analysis > Canon.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He falls back against Ventress in TCW movie even though he was stomping her.

Even his 1 v 1 against Maul on Florrum, notice he keeps falling back on his own accord and not because Maul is forcing him back.

Yeah but he was keeping her busy in order for Anakin to escape.

How do you know Maul isn't forcing him back? He fights Maul, gets slowly oushed back and then retreats, it's pretty obvious.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
In every exchange, Obi-Wan gave ground. It was his way.
--Revenge of the Sith

But this shitty quote doesn't mean anything since we all know DD9's retarded TCW analysis > Canon.

The novels aren't entirely canon though, only the parts that follow the movies. Besides that's in RotS so that doesn't say anything about TCW Obi-Wan, try again.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Besides that's in RotS so that doesn't say anything about TCW Obi-Wan, try again.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Is it? Even in RotS when fighting Grievous he only falls back to lure Grievous on the catwalk butfor the rest? I'm not sure how falling back has ever been Kenobi's main way to go.

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Originally posted by cs_zoltan
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So? I'm just noting what happened in the movies, doesn't change sh*t about what I said about TCW or how the novelization in general is greatly different from the movie.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
DD9's retarded TCW analysis > Canon.

You don't even understand the difference between canon and legends so I don't expect you to actually be able to put forward a believable argument.

DD9's go-to moves: When you get humiliated switch the goal post to Disney Canon or Legends accordingly.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Yeah but he was keeping her busy in order for Anakin to escape.

How do you know Maul isn't forcing him back? He fights Maul, gets slowly oushed back and then retreats, it's pretty obvious.

Keeping my her busy? I don't understand, I mean he was still trying to beat her right?

Because against Maul he only walks back between exchanges IIRC.

Also Soresu is confirmed as a defensive form in Canon, so I doubt they've changed the idea that Kenobi is The Soresu Master, given it melds perfectly with his character traits "the negotiator".

Sure but the mission goes first which was for Anakin to get off planet with the Hutt child so he's definitely going to put that first.

Sure but that could easily be because he's forced to do that since he doesn't to do that in hus other fights.

Defensive, of course but not necessarely givin ground all the time since he doesn't do that in the rest of hus fights.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9

Defensive, of course but not necessarely givin ground all the time since he doesn't do that in the rest of hus fights.

This I can agree with. He doesn't have to give ground just because he fights defensively.