Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
[b]Your concession is REQUIRED as well, Operator!!! [/B]
Apart from the fact that you ignored my proof....
Your scan doesn't actually prove anything. That cosmic entity was sucking matter into its being where it would convert said matter into energy. It did suck Superman eventually, and all Superman did was evade the energy-mass before it became overwhelming. So all this proves is that Superman has super-human durability which isn't exactly a new development. More-so, You'd have to prove that he was immune to matter manipulation altogether not just transmutation which is just one form of matter manipulation that Owen had at his disposal. If we're gonna into that, someone like Dr Alchemy could easily use transmutation to take out Superman with this method:
http://imgur.com/XLiDcyJ
http://imgur.com/TJrtk8d
Any reason Owen wouldn't be able to replicate that same feat? Against a more powerful version of Superman no less (the one in my scans is silver age, yours is from the end of bronze age).
Mind you, PC Superman has a lot of appearances so it's hard to say for sure whether he can resist it or not. Based on the two showings that i referenced he couldn't but now i also recall a third instance where he actually did resist cosmic beings who had mind over matter powers and could one shot planets iirc.
Superman's powers could be used against him. No one who is familiar with how nearly identical Ultraman's powers were in comparison to Silver Age Superman in terms of type and magnitude should fail to appreciate the following and what it suggests:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13895661
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13895662
Source: Justice League of America #29, Volume 1
Writer: Gardner Fox
Penciller: Mike Sekowsky
Date: August 1964
Originally posted by RealityWarper👆
He said that he must "crack" the vacuum before the energies becomes overwhelming. There is no mention of Superman resisting to anything. He leaves the monster before being destroyed by the energies.The scan confirms that the energy-mass is what consumes people inside the monster and Superman wasn't touched by it, he left before it happened.
Originally posted by lawest9
Enough MU heroes with the right combination of powers can bring him down imho, however if they are not prepped fpr him, they and their earth are well done for.
With a few caveats, I agree with this opinion.
Because they actually have a surprising stay of options.
Just a few off the top of my head, based on what has actually been shown in the comics:
-- duplication of Kypton's gravity conditions (Action Comics circa 1950s and 60s, the era GalaxySneeze is taken from)
-- antimatter explosion (Justice League of America #29 and #30, Note: near-exact-power-match-of-Superman Ultraman is demonstrator here...knocks out despite durability, arguably near complete invulnerability, because it overwhelms the senses
-- mere actual exposure to a significant quantity of antimatter (Crisis on Infinite Earths series)
-- Professor Xavier (fill in the action of your choice, putting him to sleep, making Superman so afraid he flies away or becomes cripplingly slowed, convincing him he's already destroyed everything he "needs" to, etcetera)
-- entrapment in a significant gravity well ... note that Marvel U. actually has means and tech and features stories where characters are literally sent to/put inside/etcetera black holes ... note this in relation to DC Comics Presents Superman versus Blackstar issue, where Superman, far less vulnerable at this point to gravity than GalaxySneezer Supes, was saved ONLY by the intervention of Supergirl
-- complete teleportation
-- partial teleportation (see Nightcrawler versus Nimrod to get an idea of what this would look like)
-- phasing attacks (imagine golf-ball-sized spheres of adamantium being phased into his eyes by Shadowcat, for instance, or any such attack targeted to blind, cripple, etcetera
-- sonics/hypersonics
-- rapid buffeting of ears (check Justice League of America 29, Flash versus GalaxySneeze-era Ultraman)
I stumbled upon a showing of someone actually making a crazy person sane.
That would be Psylocke, and she recently did this for Mystique.
I was looking for a place to record that, but found KMC apparently does not have a Psylocke Respect Thread. However, I found that Comic Vine does.
I unexpectedly found the following, and remembered this thread.
This is Psylocke versus Juggernaut, in her earliest days as an X-Men member.
Struck by it because Juggernaut to this point was typically impervious to even Professor X attempting to affect him with his helmet on. Here, Juggernaut actually has TWO helmets on, the 2nd one revealed after this scene.
Even so, Psylocke is able to affect him to the point that he cries out in pain ...
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/30531904/image.jpg.html
... and once Longshot and Dazzler remove the helmets from Juggernaut FOR Psylocke ...
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/30531905/image.jpg.html
... drops him.
The point should be obvious. Psylocke doesn't even need to make physical contact to take down people who were, arguably, even tougher than Pre-Crisis Supes. Not with time and teammates to help her, at least.
