Pre crisis Superman vs the Marvel U
PC Superman who once sneezed away a solar system, gets trapped in the MU by an unidentifiable power, the action turns him insanely violent and bent on total destruction, as a result of this transaction he becomes immune to krytonite magic and red sun radiation, who in the MU below trans level can stop him and how many marvel heroes/villians working together can put an halt to his trail of destruction?
He also got beat by a chimpanzee iirc. Solar System sneeze is a well-known PC cheese feat, but you'd have to allow high-end feats as the norm for everyone if you make that your baseline.
Anyway, in b4 someone says it only takes Doom. Legitimately, PC Supes minus weakness exploitation would be hard to take down, but not impossible.
Absorbing Man immediately comes to mind.
How much foreknowledge does Supes get about the people in Marvel?
Also, does this insanely violent rage of his mean he's "targeting" specific people who get in his way, like a bull seeing a cape waved in front of him, or does PsychoSupes really and truly have the focused goal of trying to physically crack the planet itself?
Originally posted by bluewaterriderWe know cracking a planet would be nothing to PC Supes, he's bent on destruction and anyone who comes into his way to try and stop him, will become targeted, while he may not have full knowledge of his opponents, they wouldn't have likewise of him, he'll simply in his deranged mind see marvel earth and other pivotal planets in the MU.as something that he must destory.
Absorbing Man immediately comes to mind.
How much foreknowledge does Supes get about the people in Marvel?
Also, does this insanely violent rage of his mean he's "targeting" specific people who get in his way, like a bull seeing a cape waved in front of him, or does PsychoSupes really and truly have the focused goal of trying to physically crack the planet itself?
Interesting match ups, IF everyone is behaving intelligently individually or under the direction of a good leader
Trolls from the Isle of Silence
(So strong that Silver Age Thor could not break the grip of even one of them by force. Potentially good slow down, if not outright stoppers en masse.)
Hulk Killer Humanoid. Practically invulnerable to strikes, no matter how powerful or sustained.
Nightcrawler (Lex Luthor once knocked Superman out by unexpectedly transporting him into the future. The Crime Syndicate dazed him just by teleporting him from point A to point B via Volthoom keyword.)
Classic Juggernaut.
Chris Claremont Rogue, INTELLIGENTLY using her power, as Rogue has for serious threats.
Graviton (simulating the gravity of Krypton, most often when visiting Kandor, nearly ALWAYS served to effectively depower Clark). Recall that Darkseid's Gravi-Guards made Superman so helpless he needed the help of Infjnity Man to free himself ...
Reed Richards.
Dr. Doom.
Re: Pre crisis Superman vs the Marvel U
Originally posted by lawest9
PC Superman who once sneezed away a solar system, gets trapped in the MU by an unidentifiable power, the action turns him insanely violent and bent on total destruction, as a result of this transaction he becomes immune to krytonite magic and red sun radiation, who in the MU below trans level can stop him and how many marvel heroes/villians working together can put an halt to his trail of destruction?
No one. Superman beats Marvel.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Interesting match ups, IF everyone is behaving intelligently individually or under the direction of a good leaderTrolls from the Isle of Silence
(So strong that Silver Age Thor could not break the grip of even one of them by force. Potentially good slow down, if not outright stoppers en masse.)
Hulk Killer Humanoid. Practically invulnerable to strikes, no matter how powerful or sustained.
Nightcrawler (Lex Luthor once knocked Superman out by unexpectedly transporting him into the future. The Crime Syndicate dazed him just by teleporting him from point A to point B via Volthoom keyword.)
Classic Juggernaut.
Chris Claremont Rogue, INTELLIGENTLY using her power, as Rogue has for serious threats.Graviton (simulating the gravity of Krypton, most often when visiting Kandor, nearly ALWAYS served to effectively depower Clark). Recall that Darkseid's Gravi-Guards made Superman so helpless he needed the help of Infjnity Man to free himself ...
Reed Richards.
Dr. Doom.
and Vulcan
not to mention the power mimcry people
1. Gravi-Guard versus pre-Crisis Superman
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Oh, so you guys can actually tap or click-link those images ...
1. Gravi-Guard versus pre-Crisis Superman
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I can certainly see a combination of Classic Juggernaut, Hulk Killer Humanoid, the Silent Ones (the trolls with a grip even Thor couldn't break) and Graviton duplicating what the lone guard here managed to do.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Heavy mass galaxies no less, which implies...heavier than normal, I guess?
Indeed, but the guard himself only reckons Supes able to move a mountain according to that same scan, and I've seen Supes de powered, again, by no more gravity than what bottle-city Kandor had to offer -- a place where Batman and Robin and even Jimmy Olsen were able to move around (albeit with a GREAT deal of difficulty in the latter's case). Gravity against Pre-Crisis Kryptonians could often be as absurdly effective as red sunlight.
Who below trans? No one.
PC Supes could just travel back in time and pee in the primordial pool from which the Life was about to originate.
Or he could throw the Earth into Sun. Or the Sun at the Earth. Or transport enough extra hydrogen and helium into Sun to trigger supernova.
Or simply use his massive speed/strength/etc advantage to take care of business close and personal.
Originally posted by "Id"
Superman isnt sneezing any galaxy away without that Mxy-Dust.
Agreed. Mainly 'cause I've seen instances of Supergirl and people who'd had Supes' power transferred to them magically, and sneeze accidentally, and no more than room clearing/room destroying gale winds resulted.
I agree an insanely violent Pre-crisis Supes has the power to crack a planet. Or even throw an Earth sized one. That's why I asked if he'd target people specifically or remain focused on the actual rocky body comprising the planet.
Marvel's chances become very grim indeed if he's doing the latter and largely ignoring people. Chances go up considerably if he's minded to go after people .