Dove Vs Daredevil

some versions of dove are pretty damn powerful. lol at the ultron stuff though. that fight gets so overrated it's hilarious. a better showing was against creel. he' beaten hyde too. dd has some great wins. in general though dove SHOULD beat him most of the time. pretty sure her incarnations vary in power levels though. she's more dangerous than hawk is however--at least in what i've read of her which admittedly, isn't all that much (but prolly more than most....) some scans of her feats would be good. i can try and scrounge a few up if i can find the books.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver is wrong. So wrong.

That version of Ultron WAS adamantium.

The wires inside weren't, but the shell was.

Lol at how this structural weakness really should make the adamantium and Ultron together completely useless against the likes of the Avengers.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I don't know, he's not a black lantern.

Her energy projection has affected more than just Black Lanterns.

Daredevil takes this.

Takes a beating.

Nah. Dove is pretty comprehensively outclassed.

LOL!

You lol, yet you've literally provided nothing to support Dove. What showing does she have to actually support a win here? Like, in terms of actual feats, what does this incarnation have? Because until you can actually produce anything, Daredevil takes the win, and easily at that. 👆

Stronger, faster, able to fly, movement reading, energy projectiles, etc... Unless you can show me DD taking someone in Dove's class, you don't have anything.

Prove she's stronger and faster. After that, prove it's to an extent DD has never faced before. Hell, just the other month he took down a monster with the combined strength of 100 hand warriors. Seriously, who has this Dove ever beaten or fought that is on the level of DD? Give us actual feats and wins.

While this was hella fun to read, yeah, DD has fought some tough characters.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Prove she's stronger and faster. After that, prove it's to an extent DD has never faced before. Hell, just the other month he took down a monster with the combined strength of 100 hand warriors. Seriously, who has this Dove ever beaten or fought that is on the level of DD? Give us actual feats and wins.

Her biggest strength feat is successfully moving a plane, her best speed feat is out racing one of the fastest New Gods, Speed Queen in the series Hawk And Dove. Now prove that DD is stronger than that.

Originally posted by Zack M
Her biggest strength feat is successfully moving a plane, her best speed feat is out racing one of the fastest New Gods, Speed Queen in the series Hawk And Dove. Now prove that DD is stronger than that.

Define "Moving a plane." What sort of plane, and how did she move it exactly? Push, pull or lift?

Next, how fast is Speed queen, exactly? And did she outrace her, or simply avoid her?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Define "Moving a plane." What sort of plane, and how did she move it exactly? Push, pull or lift?

Next, how fast is Speed queen, exactly? And did she outrace her, or simply avoid her?

It was in DCnU relaunch, Hawl and Dove. The plane was about to crash, and Dove successfully landed it. DD hasn't done anything like that.

Speed Queen was trying to catch Dove, but she failed. I'd peg her around sonic speeds or above.

Originally posted by Zack M
It was in DCnU relaunch, Hawl and Dove. The plane was about to crash, and Dove successfully landed it. DD hasn't done anything like that.

Speed Queen was trying to catch Dove, but she failed. I'd peg her around sonic speeds or above.

Well, he can't fly, so that's not surprising. Either way, guiding a plane down doesn't put her strength above the class of people DD has taken down.

So, she ran away really fast? Ok. Now, has she ever translated that into an actual fight? Remember, DD has slapped away a bullet with enough accuracy to send it straight back into his attacker's neck, and kept up with Spider-man and Captain America, both of whom can contend with speedsters. If all she's done with that speed is run away, it's not going to do her much good.

I'm sure DD has taken down some strong opponents, but so has Dove. Dove has the combination of speed. Strength, and flight to pull off a solid majority. The only edge DD has is fighting skill, but Dove counters that by knowing his every move, so it's not that big of a deal. Her energy, radiant power also will blow him away. There is no way he can dodge that.

Yes, these tough opponents Dove has beaten. Who are they, exactly?

As for the radiant power, who has it affected that isn't a Black Lantern? How has it affected them? What about these move predictions? What significant opponents/attacks has it allowed her to avoid? How far-reaching are its effects? Are you saying she's untouchable?

She basically destroyed an army of black lanterns in Blackest Night. She affected a wide area, so it's almost impossible to dodge. She first demonstrated those attacks in the second Hawk and Dove series. Pretty much an automatic win.

So she's never affected anyone with it other than a Black Lantern? Brings who were specifically indentified as being weak to it?

Cool. It means it's useless here. Now, what about my other questions? Who has she beaten of note, and what showings does this movement prediction have? Because at the moment, it seems like Dove's only option is to BFR herself by running away.

I forgot to mention her durability and healing factor. She was smacked around by Mammoth (Tombstone plus) and survived an attack from Ground Zero. Her healing isn't as good as Wolverine's or anything, but it will keep her in the game for a while.