Dr. Strange vs. The Avengers

This is not a gauntlet, just let me know which Avengers you think Dr. Strange can defeat in a fair fight in a neutral location. Dr. Strange doesn't get the Eye of Agomotto but he does get the cape of levitation.

He faces the Avengers one at a time, is completely healed to face the next one (whether he wins or loses). Which Avengers does he get to beat?

1. Hawkeye
2. Black Widow
3. Winter Soldier
4. Black Panther
5. Captain America
6. Ant-man
7. Scarlet Witch
8. Hulk
9. Ironman
10. Thor
11. Vision

The only real issue for strange is Vision, and I don't see that as much of an issue. It comes down to this:

If you have Strange fighting to the best of his abilities and not neutered.. he wins.

If this movie takes place in a Cap or Avenger movie... He'll be victim of CIS or PIS and lose.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The only real issue for strange is Vision, and I don't see that as much of an issue. It comes down to this:

If you have Strange fighting to the best of his abilities and not neutered.. he wins.

If this movie takes place in a Cap or Avenger movie... He'll be victim of CIS or PIS and lose.

I don't think we want to debate this with the thinking that Strange is "fighting at the best of his abilities" since we don't have a concise measurement for that. Better to base it off the feats he has done in the movie, like we do with every character in the MvF, that way we have concrete examples of what he can do and not rely on guesswork.

6-11 can beat him. He needs more feats without the eye in upcoming films.

I agree to an extent, as I think overall you're correct as a baseline for how we need to evaluate fights here. However, there is always some guess work and hypothesis involved in these fights. For example, we could see Cap toss a motorcycle, but never lift a scooter, we can then theorize that he could. Just like I got theorize Loki could create multiple dummy Loki's at the same time, all over a room, even though he's only really ever made one at a time. So there is always some level of logical deduction in these fights.

My point was, a DS, at full power and fighting for kill, shouldn't have any issues here.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't think we want to debate this with the thinking that Strange is "fighting at the best of his abilities" since we don't have a concise measurement for that. Better to base it off the feats he has done in the movie, like we do with every character in the MvF, that way we have concrete examples of what he can do and not rely on guesswork.

How? what are you thinking?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How? what are you thinking?

I'm saying take all his feats from the movie then think about which Avengers he can beat by using those. Obviously there will be some amount of imagination and guesswork necessary but I just don't want to end up in a scenario where we take Strange at the best of his capabilities that have yet to be proven of use to him in combat. I certainly don't want to include his comic version and powers in this fight.

I know Froth, I responded to you, I meant that quote directed at Playa asking him how they'll win.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I know Froth, I responded to you, I meant that quote directed at Playa asking him how they'll win.

Ah. My bad. Please disregard my reply.

No worries man. Do you understand what I was saying in my post that was directed at you?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I agree to an extent, as I think overall you're correct as a baseline for how we need to evaluate fights here. However, there is always some guess work and hypothesis involved in these fights. For example, we could see Cap toss a motorcycle, but never lift a scooter, we can then theorize that he could. Just like I got theorize Loki could create multiple dummy Loki's at the same time, all over a room, even though he's only really ever made one at a time. So there is always some level of logical deduction in these fights.

My point was, a DS, at full power and fighting for kill, shouldn't have any issues here.

Your examples are incorrect however. Captain America has held a whole motorcycle above his head with 3 ladies sitting on the motorcycle. He did this for an extended period showing no signs of tiring.

Loki created multiple illusions in Germany during his first meeting with Cap. He also made multiple Loki's when fighting Thor in the rainbow bridge.

As for your logic, I have to disagree. We can assume someone who drives a motorcycle can probably also ride a bike even though we never see him ride a bike. But we can't assume that who rides a bike can drive a motorcycle.

So we can assume that someone who's done more complex things can do simpler things but we can't assume the other way.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Your examples are incorrect however. Captain America has held a whole motorcycle above his head with 3 ladies sitting on the motorcycle. He did this for an extended period showing no signs of tiring.

Loki created multiple illusions in Germany during his first meeting with Cap. He also made multiple Loki's when fighting Thor in the rainbow bridge.

As for your logic, I have to disagree. We can assume someone who drives a motorcycle can probably also ride a bike even though we never see him ride a bike. But we can't assume that who rides a bike can drive a motorcycle.

So we can assume that someone who's done more complex things can do simpler things but we can't assume the other way.

Huh? I said because Cap has been shown throwing a motorcycle AND your example of bench pressing it... we can infer he could lift a scooter... Even though he's never been shown doing so. Just like we should assume Thanos could lift a motorcycle even though he's never been shown doing so. The point is, we can and do use logically deduction during the fights, and not everything has to be shown as you just said. So you're actually agreeing with me, not disagreeing with me.

I never said we should do things in reverse. Just because somebody is shown lifting a table... doesn't mean they can lift a car. I never said otherwise. But if somebody is shown lifting a car, they can lift a table... which is my point.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huh? I said because Cap has been shown throwing a motorcycle AND your example of bench pressing it... we can infer he could lift a scooter... Even though he's never been shown doing so. Just like we should assume Thanos could lift a motorcycle even though he's never been shown doing so. The point is, we can and do use logically deduction during the fights, and not everything has to be shown as you just said. So you're actually agreeing with me, not disagreeing with me.

I never said we should do things in reverse. Just because somebody is shown lifting a table... doesn't mean they can lift a car. I never said otherwise. But if somebody is shown lifting a car, they can lift a table... which is my point.

You never mentioned Cap lifting a motorcycle, your exact words were:

"For example, we could see Cap toss a motorcycle, but never lift a scooter, we can then theorize that he could."

But in any case, as far as Dr. Strange is concerned we can attribute him stuff he did in the movie plus something that will be easier for him to do. We can't theorize on him doing something more difficult than he's already done. In which case, I'd disagree that he can take on any of the Avengers other than Vision. He simply hasn't shown the skills yet to take on the more powerful Avengers.

stops at Bucky

Honestly all of them should beat him, he has no defensive feats of note and everyone here is much faster on the quick draw.

Maybe he beats Lang, and Tony if he screws around.

Without the eye, most of them should be able to take him in a flat out fight

I guess he could just dump them all in the mirror dimension for the instawin though. None of them have a defense for that.

He doesn't really do anything without the eye. He pretty much gets his ass handed to him. All the magical mirror world bending is done by others. His conjuring and use of magical weapons is hopeless and he only didn't die because of the Cape.

We don't know what happens if the caster is knocked out, but all the avengers seem quick enough to be able to follow strange through a portal.

But even with the eye, what can he do? Put them in a time loop?

Originally posted by FrothByte
But even with the eye, what can he do? Put them in a time loop?