Originally posted by Arachnid1
That gives him infinite tries to win this, so he would win eventually. Not against Thor, Vision, or Hulk, but the rest of them he would take eventually.
Well yeah but everytime he loses that's an MvF win for the opponent. When he eventually wins the score will be stacked on him.
Strange exhibits the following powers in the film:
Teleportation (via sling ring)
Flight (via cloak of levitation)
Magical hand shields
Magical whip
Astral Projection (which has limited effect on the material universe and only works during unconsciousness)
Time reversal (with Eye of Amagotto)
So, excluding the time reversal and astral projection, which he really can't use here, he's still got teleportation and flight. IDK how the shields will stack against bullets, less lone mega Hulk hits.
Did he use matter bending at any point during the Mirror Dimension fight, or was that only Kaelicus and Ancient One who used that power. If he did, and thus is able to matter bend as well, then that changes things quite a bit.
Also, can Strange BFR his opponents similar to how Ancient One stranded him on Everest?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
He can also BFR to the Mirror dimension.
I'm curious if he can trap another person in the mirror dimension while he himself steps out... or if by removing himself from the mirror dimension that also closes the doors and expels anyone who went in it through his manipulations.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Strange exhibits the following powers in the film:
Teleportation (via sling ring)
Flight (via cloak of levitation)
Magical hand shields
Magical whip
Astral Projection (which has limited effect on the material universe and only works during unconsciousness)
Time reversal (with Eye of Amagotto)So, excluding the time reversal and astral projection, which he really can't use here, he's still got teleportation and flight. IDK how the shields will stack against bullets, less lone mega Hulk hits.
Did he use matter bending at any point during the Mirror Dimension fight, or was that only Kaelicus and Ancient One who used that power. If he did, and thus is able to matter bend as well, then that changes things quite a bit.
Also, can Strange BFR his opponents similar to how Ancient One stranded him on Everest?
It was only Kaecilius and the Ancient one who did that whole reality bending thing. If he had that power it would make him far more dangerous an opponent.
He can probably BFR his opponent by using his sling ring, but that means he'll need to spend time to create the portal in the middle of a fight, then lure his opponent in while he himself is able to get out and close the portal.
Originally posted by FrothByteWould it? I mean, he technically hasn't permanently died and comes back. It doesn't really seem fair to count it as a loss, since it's not even a ten count. It's instantaneous. For example, wolverine can heal but if someone can wreck him hard enough for a ten count, he loses.
Well yeah but everytime he loses that's an MvF win for the opponent. When he eventually wins the score will be stacked on him.
I'd say it wouldn't count as a loss for him at all, since it's his power set and instant an recovery.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Would it? I mean, he technically hasn't permanently died and comes back. It doesn't really seem fair to count it as a loss, since it's not even a ten count. It's instantaneous. For example, wolverine can heal but if someone can wreck him hard enough for a ten count, he loses.I'd say it wouldn't count as a loss for him at all, since it's his power set and instant an recovery.
IIRC, the way the time loop works is that it loops a specific time frame, it doesn't loop only when he dies (like that Tom Cruise movie). So if he's replaying the same 1 minute over and over again, and he dies within the first 30 seconds, it will take another 30 seconds before the loop occurs. That's counted as a loss.
Originally posted by FrothByteSo why not loop a 5 second time frame like the movie? Dormammu killed him the second he showed and just looped the same couple of seconds over and over. It wont count as a loss and he still gets infinite tries to win.
IIRC, the way the time loop works is that it loops a specific time frame, it doesn't loop only when he dies (like that Tom Cruise movie). So if he's replaying the same 1 minute over and over again, and he dies within the first 30 seconds, it will take another 30 seconds before the loop occurs. That's counted as a loss.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
So why not loop a 5 second time frame like the movie? Dormammu killed him the second he showed and just looped the same couple of seconds over and over. It wont count as a loss and he still gets infinite tries to win.
Then the question comes in whether he can kill his opponent in 5 seconds. Because his opponents won't always do the exact same attacks. If he changes how he moves his opponents will also change their movements.
Originally posted by FrothByteAgreed, but it still comes down to the fact that it gives him infinite tries to win whereas they'd only get one. That seems like it makes it impossible for him to lose to anyone he can actually hurt.
Then the question comes in whether he can kill his opponent in 5 seconds. Because his opponents won't always do the exact same attacks. If he changes how he moves his opponents will also change their movements.
Iron man can fly and shoot rockets
Thor can harness lightning,
Hulk becomes an invulnerable muscle
Scarlet Witch is emo and uses magic too
Cap runs pretty fast and throws a cool shield
Black Widow stands there and looks sexy
Hawkeye pretends to look busy and needed
Vision pulls powers out of his ass with no explanation
Regardless of all the cool things these guys can do, they were awe-struck when watching the last David Blaine special. Vision is still trying to recreate, Blaines trick where he threw a playing card through a window without using his powers.
Strange wins just because everyone likes magic. Once he mesmerizes them with a killer card trick he will then kill them individually as their minds are blown.
I can't even believe we're discussing a fight in which people are saying people like Cap, BP, WS, Widow etc etc are even anything to a full powered Dr. Strange. He could literally deal with them with the utmost of ease. Mere gestures. Yet I'm supposed to entertain a thread where someone these guys pose a threat? LOL. Sorry, No. The only people who could do anything to him would be Vision and Thor and maybe IM. SW I guess could be some sort of distraction.. but they rest are absolutely nothing to Dr. Strange
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I can't even believe we're discussing a fight in which people are saying people like Cap, BP, WS, Widow etc etc are even anything to a full powered Dr. Strange. He could literally deal with them with the utmost of ease. Mere gestures. Yet I'm supposed to entertain a thread where someone these guys pose a threat? LOL. Sorry, No. The only people who could do anything to him would be Vision and Thor and maybe IM. SW I guess could be some sort of distraction.. but they rest are absolutely nothing to Dr. Strange
Ok so based purely on screen feats, how do you propose Dr. Strange takes out Cap, BP or Black Widow without the Eye?
You know how I operate Froth man, I know who strange is, I don't need to nerf him. Not sure but wasn't his Shields of Seraphim used in the movie? That would mean NONE of them can even touch him and he could go about dealing with them however he wants. Take them to the astral plane... use visions (he's vastly better than Loki at them) or use the spell Ikonn (which summons somebody worst nightmare or fear) Shoot when he removes his soul from his body, they can do absolutely nothing to him, but he can still attack them. Shoot he could just summon watoomb and blow them all away for a BFR. That is only a small portion of what he can do. In comics, these people are absolutely nothing to him. He's literally toyed with these guys before like children. Yet, because a movie nerf's him, I'm supposed to believe these guys can even pose a threat to him? Nah, don't buy it.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You know how I operate Froth man, I know who strange is, I don't need to nerf him. Not sure but wasn't his Shields of Seraphim used in the movie? That would mean NONE of them can even touch him and he could go about dealing with them however he wants. Take them to the astral plane... use visions (he's vastly better than Loki at them) or use the spell Ikonn (which summons somebody worst nightmare or fear) Shoot when he removes his soul from his body, they can do absolutely nothing to him, but he can still attack them. Shoot he could just summon watoomb and blow them all away for a BFR. That is only a small portion of what he can do. In comics, these people are absolutely nothing to him. He's literally toyed with these guys before like children. Yet, because a movie nerf's him, I'm supposed to believe these guys can even pose a threat to him? Nah, don't buy it.
Remember that you are in the MvF. Comicbook feats don't count here, only feats shown in the movies. In the movie he hasn't used spells or made people see nightmares or made illusions or removed souls from bodies. Though he himself can move to the astral plane I don't recall him forcing anyone else in there.
And if you're referring the shields he was having trouble putting up, they were roughly the size of big dinner plates and he still would need to move them to block, so he can still definitely get hit as was proven in the movie.
So I ask again, based solely on the feats he displayed in the movie, how do you think he defeats his opponents here?
Hawkeye volleys 5 hellicarrier lvl explosive arrows all around stranges' feet. Done. If he flies, clint will tag him with 3 more. Not even getting into what the others can do. Strange was literally the weakest wizard in the film sans the eye. What were his offensive moves? A whip? Lol I was severely dissapointed in the movie