In terms of him trying to get manufacturing back from China by introducing huge tariffs on importing goods and cutting corporation taxes to entice companies to relocate....it won't work. Either he'd have to do it while eroding workers pay and terms and conditions to match foreign countries which would be a disaster if he couples it with deporting the only demographic willing to work in those conditions or Americans will have to get used to paying far more for electronics, appliances, cars etc compounded by those tariffs as well as a weaker dollar.
Originally posted by jaden101
In terms of him trying to get manufacturing back from China by introducing huge tariffs on importing goods and cutting corporation taxes to entice companies to relocate....it won't work. Either he'd have to do it while eroding workers pay and terms and conditions to match foreign countries which would be a disaster if he couples it with deporting the only demographic willing to work in those conditions or Americans will have to get used to paying far more for electronics, appliances, cars etc compounded by those tariffs as well as a weaker dollar.
I understand, and here is what I don't quite understand about some of these reactions to Trump.
People said building the wall wouldn't work and that it wasn't even feasible. People said him deporting every single illegal sure as hell wasn't feasible.
They never said "these things aren't possible because Trump will never be president". They just flat out said they couldn't be done. So..what suddenly changed?
Either these things are feasible or..they are not feasible.
Originally posted by Surtur
I understand, and here is what I don't quite understand about some of these reactions to Trump.People said building the wall wouldn't work and that it wasn't even feasible. People said him deporting every single illegal sure as hell wasn't feasible.
They never said "these things aren't possible because Trump will never be president". They just flat out said they couldn't be done. So..what suddenly changed?
You obviously physically can deport people. The impact it will have on certain vocations will be huge though.
Originally posted by jaden101
You obviously physically can deport people. The impact it will have on certain vocations will be huge though.
I know but people said it wasn't feasible to get rid of every single illegal. But okay, we can say they are worried that some will go and they will be the ones who go.
They also said a wall just wasn't even possible either, or that we couldn't afford to build one, etc.
Yet now in a bizarre twist Hilary supporters have almost suggested they will be pissed off if he doesn't build the wall. Which I can understand being upset that he lied, but wouldn't they want that to be one of the things he lied about?
From their points of view they should be hoping that Donald Trump was indeed lying about most of the shit he said.
Which brings up another point: people are so certain Trump will ruin this country. Yet..they were so certain he would lose the election as well. This doesn't mean they will automatically be wrong about everything, but part of the reason we got here in the first place is because these people just plain couldn't truly predict what would happen. If they had paid more attention to shit besides polls maybe this wouldn't have been such a shock to so many people.
Originally posted by Surtur
I know but people said it wasn't feasible to get rid of every single illegal. But okay, we can say they are worried that some will go and they will be the ones who go.They also said a wall just wasn't even possible either, or that we couldn't afford to build one, etc.
Yet now in a bizarre twist Hilary supporters have almost suggested they will be pissed off if he doesn't build the wall. Which I can understand being upset that he lied, but wouldn't they want that to be one of the things he lied about?
From their points of view they should be hoping that Donald Trump was indeed lying about most of the shit he said.
Which brings up another point: people are so certain Trump will ruin this country. Yet..they were so certain he would lose the election as well.
The wall is a massive infrastructure project with no economic benefit. Why bother? Why not spend that money improving infrastructure that will not only create the construction jobs that the wall would but also increase productivity? Fix crumbling roads, improve railways, ports and airports then that would help entice manufacturing more than some of his other policies.
As for whether he's lied about what he'll do....time will tell. Obama was branded a liar for not enacting some of his policies by the same representatives who helped block those policies. The same could and likely will happen to some of Trump's unless the House can sort out its ever increasing and completely pointless practice of opposing policies simply because they're proposed by "the other side"
Remember the entire government grinding to a halt because of disagreements over increasing the debt ceiling?
I understand but a lot of the opposition I saw wasn't because there was no economic benefit, but rather just because it wasn't possible.
It seems now the narrative has changed from "not possible" to "possible, but not easy".
I realize time will tell if Trump is a liar, but what I'm saying is liberals should be hoping he is a liar, not saying "oh he better build the wall" out of spite.
If someone was against the wall before they shouldn't be..saying it needs to now get done.
Originally posted by jaden101
The bigger question is why support it? It's potentially hugely costly and utterly pointless depending on its design. It's also not a one-off cost. Do the states where it will be built bear the burden of manning and maintaining it?
I agree with you that it shouldn't be supported unless the wall would actually be effective.
Even then if building it would bankrupt the country or some shit..no. But if it was feasible(albeit difficult) but would ALSO actually make an actual difference? I'd be for it. I'm tired of people thinking they can just come here illegally, take jobs away from Americans, send that money back to Mexico, etc. Unless you're sending money so they can come here legally, but if you're just doing it so they can chill and still live in Mexico? No, I think that shit is wrong. Work in Mexico if you want to pump your hard earned dollars back into Mexico.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm tired of people thinking they can just come here illegally, take jobs away from Americans, send that money back to Mexico, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ZJu-f-XOE
Thank you Surtur for reviving this 👆
Originally posted by Robtard
YouTube videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ZJu-f-XOE
Thank you Surtur for reviving this 👆
It's no problem. South Park can certainly be funny at times.
Especially when they poke fun at things that have at least some truth to them.
Originally posted by jaden101
Are you willing to pay considerably more for certain goods and services?
The second people like him see they're now paying $1.27 per pound of 'x' produce instead of the $0.64 they previously were, they'll b***h and moan and blame everyone and everything except themselves
Originally posted by jaden101
Are you willing to pay considerably more for certain goods and services?
What is "considerably more" to you?
On top of that, do you feel it would be selfish of me if I wanted to keep legal Americans out of certain jobs just so certain goods are cheaper?
Since we can laugh about "der illegals taking our jobs" all we want, but there is definitely truth there. It's a cycle. Illegals are..illegal, they need work badly. So very badly they are willing to be paid much much less than minimum wage. Now come in the greedy businessmen. They love their illegal labor force because they can pay them shit pay without any real benefits.
Then some very asinine people spread this myth that legal Americans just plain won't do any kind of physical labor jobs. As if everyone who is a legal citizen is just holding out for cushy office jobs or something..as opposed to just a job willing to pay a decent wage for some genuine hard work.
I know legal people who literally shovel shit for a living at the zoo. But f*ck those lazy bastards I guess. How dare they want a decent wage for busting their ass. All that's important is that the illegals want a better life for themselves. Legal Americans could give a shit about better lives.
Originally posted by Robtardyou're being delicate with the price increase speculation imo, but yes this.
The second people like him see they're now paying $1.27 per pound of 'x' produce instead of the $0.64 they previously were, they'll b***h and moan and blame everyone and everything except themselves
Originally posted by Robtard
The second people like him see they're now paying $1.27 per pound of 'x' produce instead of the $0.64 they previously were, they'll b***h and moan and blame everyone and everything except themselves
I still can't figure out how it's not selfish to want to keep legal people out of work so you can have cheaper goods. Can you explain it to me?
Plus the whole "blaming everyone except themselves" is what liberals do all the time. So maybe quit it with the "people like him" shit.
Originally posted by Robtard
The second people like him see they're now paying $1.27 per pound of 'x' produce instead of the $0.64 they previously were, they'll b***h and moan and blame everyone and everything except themselves
Ah, but for a real leftist, maybe we SHOULD be paying that $1.27. Only for different reasons.
Say, an end to sweatshop labor, or a higher minimum wage. Maybe an end of farm subsidies ect..
Originally posted by cdtm
Ah, but for a real leftist, maybe we SHOULD be paying that $1.27. Only for different reasons.Say, an end to sweatshop labor, or a higher minimum wage. Maybe an end of farm subsidies ect..
Plus isn't it our fault shit got this way? If we weren't so dependent on illegal labor we wouldn't be in this mess. If we put down harsher consequences for businesses who employ illegal labor maybe things would be different? This is where greed has lead us to.
Isn't it time we started cleaning up some of our messes?
This is like how my father is with his car. Whenever something little comes up he ignores it and ignores it and ignores it until it's a huge f*cking problem that will cost thousands of dollars to fix. If doing shit like that with a car is f*cktarded, how is doing that with a country not f*cktarded times a thousand?