Trump on legal immigration

I talk about education because I have several family members who work in the public school systems and the situation is pretty bleak. I always thought my parents sent me to private Catholic schools simply because of the religious aspect, but perhaps there was more to it. They both attended public schools.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
And yeah, I know that Trump says he'll vet people by skill, but somehow I think he'll really end up vetting them by ethnicity.

What ethnicity are the vast majority of people who are trying to get into the country the legal way?

Originally posted by Surtur

What ethnicity are the vast majority of people who are trying to get into the country the legal way?

Not sure actually, although a large fraction of the highly skilled segment comes from Asia, which Trump's rust belt base won't take very kindly to.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Not sure actually, although a large fraction of the highly skilled segment comes from Asia, which Trump's rust belt base won't take very kindly to.

I suppose Asia makes sense, I think some of the countries like Japan are far ahead of us when it comes to education.

There was a large population of Japanese students when I was at UIC.

Originally posted by Surtur
I suppose Asia makes sense, I think some of the countries like Japan are far ahead of us when it comes to education.

Debatably.

But again, I think the priority in this specific category is to attract really smart people. People disagree on the humanitarian obligation we have to refugees, and on whether undocumented workers are good for us or not, but there really isn't a good case against letting the highly skilled in.

I guess you could say that they hurt their home countries by brain draining them, and I would entertain that argument, but I know Trump wouldn't make it.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Not sure actually, although a large fraction of the highly skilled segment comes from Asia, which Trump's rust belt base won't take very kindly to.

Have you read the proposals on his website regarding his "vision?" He wants highly skilled immigrants but wants to look out for "American" jobs first.

I hate to burst your bubble but I highly doubt any rust belters will even see many asians since most the jobs we are talking about are high tech and tend to be in big blue coastal areas.

There is also a need for low skill workers that many illegal immigrants do BUT they are here illegally and thats a problem.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Have you read the proposals on his website regarding his "vision?" He wants highly skilled immigrants but wants to look out for "American" jobs first.

Which is a nice euphemism for clamping down on immigrants, given that he wants to prioritize American jobs. How else would he do that?

I hate to burst your bubble but I highly doubt any rust belters will even see many asians since most the jobs we are talking about are high tech and tend to be in big blue coastal areas.

They don't see many immigrants or terrorists either.

There is also a need for low skill workers that many illegal immigrants do BUT they are here illegally and thats a problem.

Well if the immigration process weren't as ridiculous, they wouldn't have had to come here illegally.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Which is a nice euphemism for clamping down on immigrants, given that he wants to prioritize American jobs. How else would he do that?

If you have some mind reading abilities you tell me, no details have been laid out to pick apart.

They don't see many immigrants or terrorists either.

Most people don't see terrorists in the USA. There is an ever growing illegal immigrant flow to work low skill jobs in the rust belt. It sounds like you have a touch of coastal elitism in your views though, naive but cute.

Well if the immigration process weren't as ridiculous, they wouldn't have had to come here illegally.

Many of the illegal immigrants that are here that do low skill jobs have such a education level it wouldn't matter what the process was. Many can't read their native language let alone english.

Plus we know that roughly half of our illegal immigrants are from overstayed visas, so how does that work? Are those folks not clever enough to get some help from their companies and if not isn't it the employers fault?

Originally posted by snowdragon
If you have some mind reading abilities you tell me,

By process of elimination, there's little else he could do to "prioritize" American jobs without curtailing immigrant labor.

no details have been laid out to pick apart.

Yes, they have. By Trump himself throughout the campaign trail, about things like gutting the h1b.

Most people don't see terrorists in the USA.

That's my point.

Many of the illegal immigrants that are here that do low skill jobs have such a education level it wouldn't matter what the process was. Many can't read their native language let alone english.

I don't see how that relates to what I was saying.

Plus we know that roughly half of our illegal immigrants are from overstayed visas, so how does that work? Are those folks not clever enough to get some help from their companies and if not isn't it the employers fault?

How does that change the fact that it's clearly an ineffectual process if there are people you acknowledge are helping us that our laws are trying to push away? If the law is actively working against both humanitarian principles and our economic interests, what purpose does it serve?

And I think you underestimate how difficult getting through the whole immigration process can be. Literally I know a former Math Olympiad winner and highly paid software engineer whose visa was just denied, while the rust belt blue collar workers get the magical immunity of birthright citizenship.

Well if the immigration process weren't as ridiculous, they wouldn't have had to come here illegally.

I don't see how that relates to what I was saying.

They have even less education then the rust belters you denigrate but you somehow believe if the immigration process were simplier they would even TRY to follow it let alone understand it?

By process of elimination, there's little else he could do to "prioritize" American jobs without curtailing immigrant labor.

Ok so you use process of elimintation to create an outcome that you want to see but don't support that with facts?

How does that change the fact that it's clearly an ineffectual process if there are people you acknowledge are helping us that our laws are trying to push away? If the law is actively working against both humanitarian principles and our economic interests, what purpose does it serve?

The purpose of the GOVT is to make sure its citizens are taken care of first. Maybe your friends should check out the EU then? I'm all for pulling talent from other nations here I'm not against changing the laws to make it easier.

Once again until real details are laid out about Trump's plans for immigrants its all conjecture.

Originally posted by snowdragon
They have even less education then the rust belters you denigrate but you somehow believe if the immigration process were simplier they would even TRY to follow it let alone understand it?

I mean if it were made simpler than they'd be more likely to follow it, of course.

Ok so you use process of elimintation to create an outcome that you want to see but don't support that with facts?

That's a weird way to phrase the burden of proof: I've presented one way that Trump could carry out his promise and that he's actually stated explicitly; what, do you expect me to go over the whole set of other possible things he could do? That burden would be on you, to find an alternative. I can't prove a negative here.

The purpose of the GOVT is to make sure its citizens are taken care of first. Maybe your friends should check out the EU then? I'm all for pulling talent from other nations here I'm not against changing the laws to make it easier.

What makes you think attracting the best and brightest around the world doesn't help our citizens?

First and second generation immigrants built the Bomb, spearheaded NASA, founded Google/Intel/etc., were all of this year's American nobel laureates, etc. Quite frankly, if we just relied on "natural born" American talent, we'd not have ever been a superpower.

Once again until real details are laid out about Trump's plans for immigrants its all conjecture.

I'm just telling you what he said himself. Unless if you acknowledge that he's a pathological liar. mmm

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I'm just telling you what he said himself. Unless if you acknowledge that he's a pathological liar. mmm

No, once again until his policies are fleshed out from his website then the best we have is something like this:

also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.

Taken Trump's website and his 100 day contract, google it. Read through it, he's going to be your president soon and you should keep your finger on the pulse rather then speculate.