^^^Congratulations, you are the 100yh responder!
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Quoting myself from another thread:
By that i mean, intercompany battles are 90% conjecture. You cant say, scans of character A doing something specific to character B or you lose. Well, obviously YOU can.
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Congratulations, you are the 100yh responder!There's no Lord of Order in Sentry's reality.
I know. and ?
By that i mean, intercompany battles are 90% conjecture.
So are standard fictional battles. Speculations.
You cant say, scans of character A doing something specific to character B or you lose. Well, obviously YOU can.
There is equivalences in power-levels.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Scan of Dr Fate being immune to reality and matter manip please.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/KentandInzamerge.jpg.html
Here Classic Fate, his wife Inza and their home the Salem tower are unaffected by galactic level reality manipulation.
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5575550-reality+warp+1.jpg
http://static9.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5575551-reality+warp+2.jpg
This is how reality was warped around him. The earth Changed, stars dissapeared and were replaced with something completely different, Life ceased to exist. Only he his wife and his tower were unaffected because of the alterations done to them by Nabu.
This is only one of dozens of examples I could show. When Totec completely warped the reality of earth Fate was unchanged as even those around him changed. Lowly Jarred version of Fate was shown to be unaffected by reality manip on at least 4 of 5 occasions. Eric version survived the end of existence. I mean seriously it's a staple feat of the character done over and over.
Originally posted by beatboks
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/KentandInzamerge.jpg.html
Here Classic Fate, his wife Inza and their home the Salem tower are unaffected by galactic level reality manipulation.
Where is the reality warping feat exactly ?
Dr Fate said that Inza and him are protected from the Gem's Radiance which is a synonym of radiation.
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5575550-reality+warp+1.jpghttp://static9.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5575551-reality+warp+2.jpg
This is how reality was warped around him. The earth Changed, stars dissapeared and were replaced with something completely different, Life ceased to exist. Only he his wife and his tower were unaffected because of the alterations done to them by Nabu.
The captions are speaking about some "Eldricht energies" distorting the landscape.
You are describing some matter transmutation realized through the use of a spell.
Where is the reality warping feat exactly ?
This is only one of dozens of examples I could show. When Totec completely warped the reality of earth Fate was unchanged as even those around him changed. Lowly Jarred version of Fate was shown to be unaffected by reality manip on at least 4 of 5 occasions. Eric version survived the end of existence. I mean seriously it's a staple feat of the character done over and over.
There is no mention of reality manipulation feat here.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Where is the reality warping feat exactly ?Dr Fate said that Inza and him are protected from the Gem's Radiance which is a synonym of radiation.
The captions are speaking about some "Eldricht energies" distorting the landscape.
You are describing some matter transmutation realized through the use of a spell.
Where is the reality warping feat exactly ?
There is no mention of reality manipulation feat here.
Seriously ??!! the entire reality around them changed. Not just the earth but the stars and the heavens above them (all three scans are from the same issue).
So your going to tell me if someone doesn't say they are warping reality on panel while the effect of what they are doing is warping all reality we can see it's not reality warping???
Anything to keep your head in the sand
Originally posted by beatboks
Seriously ??!! the entire reality around them changed. Not just the earth but the stars and the heavens above them (all three scans are from the same issue).So your going to tell me if someone doesn't say they are warping reality on panel while the effect of what they are doing is warping all reality we can see it's not reality warping???
Anything to keep your head in the sand
Nope.
All that I'm saying is that you are stretching a feat of magical transmutation into a feat of reality manipulation because that suits your argument.
That's reaching.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Nope.All that I'm saying is that you are stretching a feat of magical transmutation into a feat of reality manipulation because that suits your argument.
That's reaching.
Hahaha
So tranmuting an entire galaxy (at the least, since it encomposses the observed sky) isnt reality manip. Right, I'm the one stretching. Good to know no bias at all 🙄
Originally posted by beatboks
Hahaha
So tranmuting an entire galaxy
He didn't transmute an entire Galaxy.
"FILTERING THE SUN RAYS, INFUSING THEM WITH ELDRITCH ENERGIES, DISTORTING THE LANDSCAPE AND PEOPLE BELOW INTO NEW AND HIDEOUS FORMS !"
The sun rays, infused with magical energies, only changed the landscape and the people below.
(at the least, since it encomposses the observed sky)
Do you mean "the Observed sky masked by the pink fog" ?
He didn't transmute any stars.
That's not what you are arguing for, you are giving a different version of what is happening on panel to fits your views about Dr Fate.
isnt reality manip.
No.
The captions makes it clear:
The Crimson Gem filtered the Sun Rays and infused them with Eldricht Energies and what they touched was transmuted.
That's all that happened.
Right, I'm the one stretching.
Hell, yeah.
The second scan debunk a second time what you are saying:
"THE VERY EARTH BELOW HIM BEGINS TO CHANGE"
That's so galaxy-level in scale...
"AS THE FACE OF THE WORLD IS DISFIGURED, WROUGHT INTO NEW AND HIDEOUS SHAPES"
This feat is at best the size of a country considering that the sun rays coming from the sky only changed the Earth below Dr Fate.
The landscape changed only from the Sun Rays which were filtered, infused with eldricht energies and touched it and the people around.
That's not even close to the "reality warping galaxy-level scale" feat that you are promoting and doesn't exist.
Good to know no bias at all 🙄 [/B]
You are just assuming too much to fit your views about the character. 🙄
I have no reasons to do the same thing when the captions describes something different on-panel.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
He didn't transmute an entire Galaxy."FILTERING THE SUN RAYS, INFUSING THEM WITH ELDRITCH ENERGIES, DISTORTING THE LANDSCAPE AND PEOPLE BELOW INTO NEW AND HIDEOUS FORMS !"
The sun rays, infused with magical energies, only changed the landscape and the people below.
Do you mean "the Observed sky [B]masked by the pink fog
" ?He didn't transmute any stars.
That's not what you are arguing for, you are giving a different version of what is happening on panel to fits your views about Dr Fate.
No.
The captions makes it clear:
The Crimson Gem filtered the Sun Rays and infused them with Eldricht Energies and what they touched was transmuted.
That's all that happened.
Hell, yeah.
The second scan debunk a second time what you are saying:
"THE VERY EARTH BELOW HIM BEGINS TO CHANGE"
That's so galaxy-level in scale...
"AS THE FACE OF THE WORLD IS DISFIGURED, WROUGHT INTO NEW AND HIDEOUS SHAPES"
This feat is at best the size of a country considering that the sun rays coming from the sky only changed the Earth below Dr Fate.
The landscape changed only from the Sun Rays which were filtered, infused with eldricht energies and touched it and the people around.
That's not even close to the "reality warping galaxy-level scale" feat that you are promoting and doesn't exist.
You are just assuming too much to fit your views about the character. 🙄
I have no reasons to do the same thing when the captions describes something different on-panel. [/B]
WOW, the level of your tunnel vision is truly amazing, and shows just what lengths you'll go to to bias your view point.
You blow up scans to show captions while ignoring other parts of the same scans that clearly show it wasn't limited to just the earth.
I even said what I meant but know we can't have an unbiased view can we.
In the scan with Fate and inza before they merge we see a view of the sky with no less than 20 celestial bodies that are apparently closer than any of the planets in our solar system. Given that about 10 of them are in fact almost or greater than the size of our moon. Some of these celestial bodies even had things joining them.
Yeah it was JUST the earth altered. Never mind the multiple images of a completely different sky above the earth. That's not to mention the others I didn't load of unusual shapes in the night sky.
You claim Sentry can "easily destroy" themost powerful version of Dr Fate yet
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/1%20cannot%20kill.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/AAA%20totec%20v%20fate%202.jpg.html
That version can't be destroyed in conventional means. The way Totec was planing to destroy him here was by tricking Fate into killing Inza Nelson (Kent Nelson'/ his hosts wife) so that Kent would refuse to be the host for Fate anymore. This is despite the fact that Totec casually reality warped on a planetary scale and erased all life beside Fate and Inza.
In the Fate mini when he hands over the mantle to Eric another LOC states
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/At%20Long%20last%201.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/At%20long%20last%202.jpg.html
So at long last after having been Fate for 4 and a half decades he has used enough magic fighting the forces of chaos that he is weakened enough to finally be able to be destroyed.
Against Fate at that point or versions since Sentry would likely win as he has the means to destroy, but that ISN'T the most powerful Fate who it's stated and shown on panel many times can't be.
