Originally posted by juggerman
Cage doesn't have a gun here. And I'm not 100% on if he can hurt him with his small hand but the Hand of Doom is enough
The hand of doom is but 1 hand, whereas Cage has both arms and legs to do damage with. I brought up the gun question because Cage is quite solidly bulletproof whereas Hellboy is not, which seems to point to Cage being the more durable of the 2.
Originally posted by FrothByte
The hand of doom is but 1 hand, whereas Cage has both arms and legs to do damage with. I brought up the gun question because Cage is quite solidly bulletproof whereas Hellboy is not, which seems to point to Cage being the more durable of the 2.
Right but Cage can't produce the amount to abuse HB has endured and not been KO'd by whereas HB can hit just as hard (likely much harder) than Diamondback. And HB has more blunt force durability than piercing durability. And seeing as how Cage is unarmed, it wouldn't matter about him not being able to tank bullets
Cage has better piercing durability, but Red can take a lot more blunt force trauma. At the end of the first Hellboy movie, that grenade belt with at least 5 grenades attached to it exploded while it was in Red's hands, and it didn't hurt him in the slightest.
Where as a shot gun blast to the head put Cage in a coma.
Besides that, Red is a lot more agile, and fights with more skill, as opposed to Cage who typically just leads with his chin.
It was more than simply a shotgun blast to the head. It was a pointblank shot behind the chin bone, basically aimed directly at the base of his brain. And even then, it is a low-end compared to things like the SUV impact, bar explosion, and rocket launcher + building collapse, the last of which did KO him for a bit, but did no lasting damage. In fact, with the exception of the bar explosion, most of Luke's JJ showings are shit compared to his own series. I would also like to just point out that Diamondback did little real damage to Luke in anyways. And that was even though Luke was trying to talk him down at multiple points in the fight, and clearly didn't want to seriously harm him. And that fight was dumb as f*** in anyways. In any realistic scenario, he would have just pulled off the helmet and tapped him on the head, or pulled the giant, flashing power pack off his back.
That being said, I do think Hellboy takes it. He does have very good blunt force resistance, the Hand of Doom is able to flip a car by hitting its front end (which is technically damn near impossible, but whatever), and he is a faster and more skilled fighter than Luke is.
Let's not forget that Hellboy got beat up by Krauss by simply slamming locker doors at him. Sure it didn't injure him at all but it still hurt him and was enough to put him on his ass. Cage wouldn't even have flinched from such an attack.
HB's hand of doom is strong and durable enough to take on Cage but the rest of HB's body isn't. If you disagree with me then ask yourself this: Do you think HB can stop a speeding SUV WITHOUT the use of his hand of doom?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Let's not forget that Hellboy got beat up by Krauss by simply slamming locker doors at him. Sure it didn't injure him at all but it still hurt him and was enough to put him on his ass. Cage wouldn't even have flinched from such an attack.
Originally posted by FrothByte
HB's hand of doom is strong and durable enough to take on Cage but the rest of HB's body isn't. If you disagree with me then ask yourself this: Do you think HB can stop a speeding SUV WITHOUT the use of his hand of doom?
If he put his whole body into it like Cage? Yes.
Originally posted by Khazra RebornThat was clearly intended as comedic relief, Red has taken way worse without damage. I.e getting hit by a train.
If he put his whole body into it like Cage? Yes. [/B]
So you think HB can shoulder block a speeding SUV and stop it?
Ok, I guess if that's how you feel about HB then I understand why you think he'd win. Personally, I just don't see him accomplishing it. He'll probably survive getting hit by the SUV but I don't see him being strong enough to stop it in its tracks.
As for comic relief, yes it was done in humor but that doesn't change the fact that Hellboy doesn't exactly shrug off physical attacks as easily as Cage does. I mean, Cage can knock out a person with a light slap on their head. I can't see HB replicating that unless he uses his rock hand.
Originally posted by FrothByte
HB's hand of doom is strong and durable enough to take on Cage but the rest of HB's body isn't. If you disagree with me then ask yourself this: Do you think HB can stop a speeding SUV WITHOUT the use of his hand of doom?
You keep referring to HB's Hand Of Doom like it's a seperate entity altogether. Like it's an unfair advantage & not acknowledging that it's part of what makes HellBoy who he is.
If HellBoy is capable of making "Hulk-like" leaps (as depicted by witness accounts in 1st movie) then his body would be durable enough to survive the impact of the landing...in this case, yes he would also be able to survive the impact of a speeding SUV without the use of his Hand Of Doom.
I'll further speculate that if HellBoy grew his horns back, they'd be "magically/mystically" be strong enough to penetrate Luke's flesh.