Luke Cage vs Hellboy

The question wasn't survive an SUV impact. It was stop an SUV in its tracks. Like Luke did. Also, Jessica Jones can make super "leaps", and drop multiple stories without injury, yet an impact with a truck messed up her ribs. And the bit about the horns is pure speculation. If you actually want to use that as part of the argument here, you would need to prove it. Never mind that unbroken horns aren't standard.

Also, the people who brought up the shotgun as an argument against Luke... How well do you think Hellboy would have done, taking a pointblank shot behind the chin, especially considering we have seen him pierced before? The shotgun, even as a low-end for Luke, is not a good argument for Red in this match. And, as has been pointed out by others, there are no guns in this thread.

Not changing my vote, but I feel like both sides are not getting fair representation.

Red got run over by a train, and it didn't hurt him, I think it's safe to say his durability is beyond Jones'.

I only brought up the shot gun blast to represent the difference in blunt force the two of these guys have taken. Yeah, Red is easier to pierce, but how do you think Luke would respond to that grenade belt exploding in his hands? He'd probably be out for a week.

Even in regards to piercing, Red has only been stabbed by mystical items, what effect (if any) regular things, like bullets would have on him is pretty unknown. Plus, judging by his HF, getting shot wouldn't be that big of a deal anyways, even if they could pierce him.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Red got run over by a train, and it didn't hurt him, I think it's safe to say his durability is beyond Jones'.

That was to point out that someone being able to take falls does not mean they can take large objects impacting them in the same way. I've already pointed out that I think Red has good enough durability feats to get him a win here.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn

I only brought up the shot gun blast to represent the difference in blunt force the two of these guys have taken. Yeah, Red is easier to pierce, but how do you think Luke would respond to that grenade belt exploding in his hands? He'd probably be out for a week.

Except it's a single low-end, when Luke has a bunch of other, better feats. And, see, there we disagree. If standing in an exploding bar did absolutely nothing to him, and getting hit by a rocket launcher, followed by a building collapse, could only KO him for a brief period, I do not see some grenades knocking him out for a week. Not even close. I mean you are trying to compare the shotgun blast with an explosion, while ignoring his actual feats against explosions.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn

Even in regards to piercing, Red has only been stabbed by mystical items, what effect (if any) regular things, like bullets would have on him is pretty unknown. Plus, judging by his HF, getting shot wouldn't be that big of a deal anyways, even if they could pierce him.

We don't know how "mystical" that weapon was. I don't recall it showcasing magical properties in combat. The point is that we DO know that Luke can take those things without any issues. But anyway, moot point. Neither Luke nor Hellboy have guns here.

HB didn't get "run over by a train" as in he was under the wheels or anything. He got hit by the train and then stayed underneath with only his horns getting hit. It was a good feat but not as impressive as you make it sound.

And people want to keep bringing up Luke getting KO'd by a shotgun under the chin then I'll keep bringing up HB getting beat up by a bunch of locker doors. It's not like HB can survive a shotgun blast under the chin either.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
We don't know how "mystical" that weapon was. I don't recall it showcasing magical properties in combat. The point is that we DO know that Luke can take those things without any issues. But anyway, moot point. Neither Luke nor Hellboy have guns here.

After he was stabbed by the spear the shard grew whenever someone tried to remove it. I'd say it was mystical in nature as that is certainly not normal

Originally posted by FrothByte
HB didn't get "run over by a train" as in he was under the wheels or anything. He got hit by the train and then stayed underneath with only his horns getting hit. It was a good feat but not as impressive as you make it sound.

And people want to keep bringing up Luke getting KO'd by a shotgun under the chin then I'll keep bringing up HB getting beat up by a bunch of locker doors. It's not like HB can survive a shotgun blast under the chin either.

You're arguing semantics, he took the full force of a speeding train straight to the chest, then the under carriage hit him in the face multiple times. Whether you want to consider that "run over" or not isn't super relevant to the conversation.

The locker doors vs. shot gun isn't really the same level of thing though, one put a guy in a coma for a day, and the other did nothing other than startle the other, for comedic effect no less.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
You're arguing semantics, he took the full force of a speeding train straight to the chest, then the under carriage hit him in the face multiple times. Whether you want to consider that "run over" or not isn't super relevant to the conversation.

The locker doors vs. shot gun isn't really the same level of thing though, one put a guy in a coma for a day, and the other did nothing other than startle the other, for comedic effect no less.

You're right, a shotgun blast is way more powerful than locker doors. And a shotgun blast to the face would have killed HB whereas Cage would just shrug off the locker doors.

So basically HB got hit by a train but not exactly run over. He got hit in the horns, maybe a bit in the face, but that's really nothing Cage can't handle. Can you say that HB can survive a missile?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're right, a shotgun blast is way more powerful than locker doors. And a shotgun blast to the face would have killed HB whereas Cage would just shrug off the locker doors.

So basically HB got hit by a train but not exactly run over. He got hit in the horns, maybe a bit in the face, but that's really nothing Cage can't handle. Can you say that HB can survive a missile?

No it wouldn't kill him, I don't know how familiar you are with Hellboy, but there's one way to kill him, and it's not shooting him in the face with a shotgun. Whether it would KO him or not is a different story, but based on the amount a trauma he's taken I would say that it wouldn't.

Cage may be able to live through the train ordeal, but you can't just say he'd be able to handle it no problem, he's done nothing to suggest that he'd no sell a train going full speed hitting him directly.

Survive a missile in the same way Cage did? Absolutely, Red has eaten worse explosions that. The missile didn't even hit Cage, it just blew up the building he was in, Hell an old lady survived it.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
No it wouldn't kill him, I don't know how familiar you are with Hellboy, but there's one way to kill him, and it's not shooting him in the face with a shotgun. Whether it would KO him or not is a different story, but based on the amount a trauma he's taken I would say that it wouldn't.

Cage may be able to live through the train ordeal, but you can't just say he'd be able to handle it no problem, he's done nothing to suggest that he'd no sell a train going full speed hitting him directly.

Survive a missile in the same way Cage did? Absolutely, Red has eaten worse explosions that. The missile didn't even hit Cage, it just blew up the building he was in, Hell an old lady survived it.

Ok hold on. You're saying that a HB can tank a shotgun fired underneath his chin? Do you even have any proof of that or are you pulling this out from thin air?

Just a few things:

1. Cage woke up immediately after Kilgrave got his neck snapped. So there was more to him being unconscious than physical trauma.

2. Luke specifically mentioned that he protected the old lady from harm, during the rocket launcher/building collapse scene.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok hold on. You're saying that a HB can tank a shotgun fired underneath his chin? Do you even have any proof of that or are you pulling this out from thin air?

I don't think he'd tank it, it'd at best hurt him really bad, and at worst put him in the same state as Cage. I just wanted to dispel the notion that it would kill him.

But Red has eaten some pretty big impacts, so who knows

I don't really see the point in this line of debate in anyways. No one is packing a shotgun, or a rocket launcher, or any kind of ranged weapon here. Best to compare blunt force feats instead.

^ True.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

If standing in an exploding bar did absolutely nothing to him, and getting hit by a rocket launcher, followed by a building collapse, could only KO him for a brief period,

You're forgetting a frail old lady survived all that too.
Kinda makes it a less impressive feat for Cage.

Didn't HB get swallowed by that creature at the end of the 1st movie & fight his way out?

If acid "softens" Cage's flesh then he wouldn't survive too long inside the digestive tract of the creature.

Proving HB is more impervious than Cage.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
You're forgetting a frail old lady survived all that too.
Kinda makes it a less impressive feat for Cage.

Not forgetting it at all. Already been addressed, both in the show, and in this thread. Again, Cage specifically mentioned that he kept her out of harm's way. It was a required part of the plot that he saved her life, as it got him headlines, and made people in Harlem more aware of him. The explosion made a massive fireball, blew out the front walls of the shop, and caused the entire building to collapse. So let's not try to downplay things here.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn

Didn't HB get swallowed by that creature at the end of the 1st movie & fight his way out?

If acid "softens" Cage's flesh then he wouldn't survive too long inside the digestive tract of the creature.

Proving HB is more impervious than Cage.

You are omitting some key details there. They had to submerge him in acid, then add extra chemicals, then heat it to a specific temperature, and then keep him submerged for like a minute or two, before it even started to work. So no, it does not prove that at all. Not to mention that not all acids are equally strong.

LOL gimme a break ok!
I'm pretty new when it comes to Vs Threads.

lol, Sorry, didn't mean to be too intense. And I still think Hellboy wins in anyways. This thread actually inspired me to rewatch the one film (that, and most of the other things I watch was on break this week. F*** you TV scheduling). Hellboy has some really decent blunt force feats, like a multi-story fall that flattened a car, that only affected him for like 10 seconds or so. Plus, his actual fighting speed/agility is noticeably better than Luke's.

Hellboy has the best durability feats of two. If for no other reason then he was able to get hit in the head by a train speeding over top of him. He did it repeatedly as well without sustain injury.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I don't really see the point in this line of debate in anyways. No one is packing a shotgun, or a rocket launcher, or any kind of ranged weapon here. Best to compare blunt force feats instead.

It's useful to discuss because being able to survive gunshots and a rocket launcher is a huge durability feat especially when the opponent doesn't have such feats.

Gunfire and explosives aren't just penetration attacks either. Even with bulletproof vests, people who get shot are usually knocked down, knocked out and may suffer broken ribs even when the bullet doesn't penetrate. That goes to show that bullets pack quite a lot of impact force. Cage doesn't even flinch when he gets shot at with firearms. And of course, explosives will have quite a lot of concussive force.

IIRC, Hellboy has actually ducked for cover from gunfire. I'll need to rewatch the movies to be sure though. Bottom line is, as much as Cage doesn't have feats of getting thrown about by monsters, HB also doesn't have feats of tanking guns and rocket launchers like Cage did. It doesn't seem fair that we only consider HB's feats valid while disregarding Cage's feats just because there are no guns in this fight.

Originally posted by Newjak
Hellboy has the best durability feats of two. If for no other reason then he was able to get hit in the head by a train speeding over top of him. He did it repeatedly as well without sustain injury.

But Cage has far better strength feats though.