Composite post-Yoda team vs. Composite pre-Yoda team

Started by UCanShootMyNova5 pages

Augmentation is an indication of power. Regardless he doesn't have anything to mark him comparable to Krayt aside from causing him to see illusions which Caedus did to Luke.

Augmentation =/= Skill, lol.
Or Kenobi > Valk as force user.

Kenobi would likely be blitzed by Valk without effort... I'm simply saying the duel in no way shows they're comparable in the Force and that their Force bout doesn't show that either.

Yes, it actually does.
And he is still vastly above Wredd.

No it doesn't. His performance against Krayt was the exact same as Dooku's against Yoda except that he caused Krayt to see illusions.

He is above Wredd by an unknown margin.

No, lol. Also, Yoda was holding back massievely against Dooku.

Lets see:
Wyyrlok >> Nihl > Talon > Stryfe > Wredd's master > Wredd.

Yes, lol. if you disagree make your case or slink away. Prove Yoda was holding back.

How do you know what the gap is between Wyyrlok and Nihl?

And your scaling for Wredd doesn't work since he had somebody aiding him in the feat and it occurred multiple years after Wyyrlok's death. He was probably more powerful yes but you can't prove what the gap would be or if there even was one. Just the likliehood that there is.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And your scaling for Wredd doesn't work since he had somebody aiding him in the feat and it occurred multiple years after Wyyrlok's death. He was probably more powerful yes but you can't prove what the gap would be or if there even was one. Just the likliehood that there is.
The guy who was below the guy who was below the guy who was below the guy who was below the guy who wasn't even noticed by Krayt, and a novice Imperial Knight, don't have a chance in hell of being as powerful as Wyyrlok. And even if you only attribute half of the feat to Wredd, it's still immense.

You don't know what the gaps between those people he's below are. And Wredd's master was above him in overall combative ability but that doesn't mean he was above him in raw power. And this is only applicable prior to his death and the feat we're discussing took place after.

Not to mention Wredd being beneath his master in combative ability who was beneath Stryfe in your analogy for his insignificance to Krayt doesn't apply since Krayt DID notice Stryfe and in fact made him his Fist and the head of the Empire's military.

I'm not doubting the impressiveness of the feat.

Re: Re: Composite post-Yoda team vs. Composite pre-Yoda team

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
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Yoda in his prime comes after his birth.

Yeah, Urs explained it.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Prove Yoda was holding back.

Wat. I mean, Yoda performed better on a potent DS Nexus against Tyranus, then in AotC. And he was most of the AotC fight on the defensive, and easily dominted Dooku after that.
And Yoda's equal could've blitzed Dooku's equal.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
And Yoda's equal could've blitzed Dooku's equal.

Eeehh... Yoda wasn't going all-out, sure, but to say he could blitz Dooku if he does is stretching it.

Beings on Mace's tier of skill would lose every time to Yoda/Sheev, and convincingly at that, but they should still fair far better than most.

Yep. I'll post the passages for both of their duels and you'll see that the one on Vjun lasted far longer.

Originally posted by MythLord
Eeehh... Yoda wasn't going all-out, sure, but to say he could blitz Dooku if he does is stretching it.

Beings on Mace's tier of skill would lose every time to Yoda/Sheev, and convincingly at that, but they should still fair far better than most.


Nah, I don't want to say that Dooku would've be blitzed as well, but that the gap is huge.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Yep. I'll post the passages for both of their duels and you'll see that the one on Vjun lasted far longer.

Doesn't necessarily mean it's longer. They're written by different authors, for one thing, who write at different paces. There's also varying degrees of description of individual moves and so on.

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Caedus fight against Luke was also faaar longer than Luke vs Sidious.
Doesn't mean Caedus > Sidious either.

Heck, Caedus vs the Jedi Strike Team was in seconds, yet the prose is longer than some other fights (especially from junior novels) that are definitely longer.

Wasn't the AotC fight between Dooku and Yoda i the novel lf similar lenght, or even shorter? And we know that they fought twice as long as Caedus vs the Strike team.

Well, there's also the ANH duel, which is supposed to be "brief" but can have rather long passages (such as in Death Star).

Speaking of the ANH duel, the novel claims that Obi-Wan and Vader stare each other down for several minutes without moving, and that took only a single line to write down. Whereas the Caedus duel takes several paragraphs to cover a few seconds. Completely invalid method of comparison.