Composite post-Yoda team vs. Composite pre-Yoda team

I'm not talking about the lines of the fight but how it's described to have gone down.

I've already told you that different authors describe fights differently.

And that's fine, that doesn't change that it tells us how long the fights went on for ( not in time of course but comparatively to other matches the same two fighters have had ).

Since when is there a definitive time for the AotC fight?

Use any of the sources for AotC. The fight in DR had more moves from the two combatants.

"Had more moves" lol.

Anyways, I'm not seeing what's wrong with the fight on Vjun lasting longer. If Dooku was amped, he'd do better against Yoda than when he was unamped on Geonosis, so the fight would be longer.

Lol what? Take the movie and count the offensive or defensive moves taken. Read the fight in DR and do the same. Or compare it to any of the text forms of the AotC fight. Don't really see what's so funny about it.

Yep.

No, I'm not wasting my time counting moves in the film, which isn't even the same medium as a novel. Moreover, there's differences in the number of moves in each medium of the films, since certain parts of fights are omitted or added on in each medium.

It doesn't matter if it's the same medium or not. If someone farted in a movie or in a book there's a line that says "Someone farted." It doesn't change the action. It's not as if the fundamentals of actions are changed in different mediums. Events can be but that's why I'm allowing you to pick the version you favor.

I'm aware of this which is why I said to take any version of the AotC fight. The one that comes closest to DR is the movie fight.

Well, seeing as I haven't actually bothered to count the number of moves, I won't press the notion. However, since they're moving faster on Vjun than on Geonosis, the comparison isn't particularly valid.

There's nothing to note Yoda's moving faster. Dooku logically is. The whole point of the debate between Wolf and I is that he thinks Yoda was holding back and was trying to point out the two fights they had to prove it and I showed that the DR fight lasted longer meaning it wasn't proof that Yoda was holding back in their fight on Genonosis. For that to be proven we would need evidence that the fight was shorter on DR.

I mean granted he would have rather captured Dooku alive of course, that's always the goal for Yoda as a Jedi. But he's not going to be holding back.

Isn't the entire premise of this to prove that Yoda held back on Geonosis? If so, he would be moving faster on Vjun, where he was going all-out.

The fight being longer doesn't disprove anything. Dooku was amped and Yoda hindered. The gap would've been smaller - the fight would've lasted longer.

No I'm saying that there's no proof he was. Wolf's trying to prove that.

Yep.

You mean Urs?

That depends. Yoda was definitely holding back in the Force - it's not a stretch to suggest that he took such a mindset into the duel as well. But of course, there's other evidence that disproves such a notion, so it's quite a conflicted case.

Whoever. They're pretty much the same person.

I don't think that's the case. I believe he took a mostly defensive stance so as to assess Dooku's new capabilities as a Sith Lord and upon learning the extent of his ability he decided he could end the fight more quickly and easily in a lightsaber bout.

Well, like most fights in the films, there's definitely different renditions of this.

It's also a valid case to say that Yoda's defensive stance at the beginning of the fight is him holding back, since he wasn't going all-out instantly like he did against the Emperor. So even if he wasn't withholding fighting skill, the case for him holding back is still perfectly valid.

Yep.

Like I said I think he's willing to hold back to the point of being reluctant to kill which is why he'd try to assess Dooku's capabilities to see if he could reasonably incapacitate him. He obviously didn't feel he was capable of doing so via the Force without potentially lethal consequences or that he could do so more easily/quickly/safely in a lightsaber bout.

And in a lightsaber bout he wouldn't be holding back his capabilities even if he was trying to incapacitate. What I mean by that is that even more then in a lethal duel Yoda would need to apply his full augmentation and ability to incapacitate Dooku without potentially lethal consequences.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Whoever. They're pretty much the same person.

His lightsaber moved effortlessly, flowing with the Force to find the balance point between them and block Dooku's every stroke. He did not even have to step back.

The Count's attack grew more desperate, to no avail. Breathing hard, he backed away, but Yoda did not pursue him. To stop Dooku was all that was necessary, and he could not pass Yoda to reach his Solar Sailer.

So you're going with the junior novelizations? Just want to make sure.