I mean, Ahsoka did the same to Vader and she's obviously not his equal so I don't see what's wrong the with the first one.
The second I personally think is just a demonstration of the raw power Kanan and Ezra possess but for people who can't accept that without shattering their world view you could just pretend Vader was caught off guard.
Really don't see the problem.
Hilarious, but no, the point is that this (for example) is what it looks like to anticipate and defend against a Force attack:
Not this:
That is what it looks like to do nothing.
Likewise, if I were to raise a fist to strike you, and you saw the attack coming, you would instinctively raise your hands to defend yourself, not stand stock still and attempt to thwart my punch with the power of your mind, lmao.
Or in other words the total lack of a reaction in the above example (apart from the protag in the middle staggering off panel) indicates they were yes, caught off-guard. When you consider this alongside them indeed failing to draw their weapons and flinching away in surprise and it's blindingly obvious that that was the case to all but the most dense of observers. 🙂
Right. :/
We have several examples of Force users raising barriers without moving. Sidious, Vader, Starkiller and DE Luke are just a few examples of this.
If the person in question was one you were trying to capture alive to prevent the destruction of a fleet and I was able to use the Force then I might attempt to hold off on drawing a weapon till I had no other option. Doesn't mean I wouldn't defend myself from a Force attack.
Regardless you didn't address the point of a strike team NEVER drawing their weapons prior to the opening of a flashpoint whether it's the logical decision to do so or not. This is because it's a game mechanic.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova😕Right. :/
Do you want to play spot the difference? Or shall I?
We have several examples of Force users raising barriers without moving. Sidious, Vader, Starkiller and DE Luke are just a few examples of this.You have one example of DE Luke (potentially) erecting a visible barrier with weapon drawn and in a ready stance. I await a more relevant precedent.
If the person in question was one you were trying to capture alive to prevent the destruction of a fleet and I was able to use the Force then I might attempt to hold off on drawing a weapon till I had no other option. Doesn't mean I wouldn't defend myself from a Force attack.Flimsy conjecture notwithstanding its irrelevant given the scene is unchanged whether or not you choose aggressive dialogue options towards Malgus or not.
There is really no point trying to psychologise RPG characters when their character is determined by the player. 😬
Regardless you didn't address the point of a strike team NEVER drawing their weapons prior to the opening of a flashpoint whether it's the logical decision to do so or not. This is because it's a game mechanic.As far as I'm aware the boss NEVAAR attacks the player in cutscene as well.
I have plenty of other scans and passages for people standing still or multitasking and shielding themselves so even if you interpret that scan as Luke blocking it with his saber we can do this however you want.
Here you go: "Deadly currents crackled and sparkled around him, kept barely at bay by the judicious application of a Force shield." - The Force Uneashed II.
This is as Starkiller's fighting the aberrant clones and dodging their telekinesis as stated prior in the passage.
Here he is applying a Force shield while hanging on to the outer rungs of a ship and maintaining the course of the Salvation as it reenters Kamino's atmosphere.
"This was where it got difficult. He needed to maintain the Force shield against the sort of heat he might find in the outer layers of a star. He also had to keep in mind the target ahead-a target he couldn't see through the plasma, but had to hit square-on or else the planetary shield generators wouldn't fail. No matter what happened, he had to fly straight. Starkiller took a deep breath. The cool trapped air behind the shield would last long enough, he hoped. He had been too worried about frying to consider suffocating to death. He raised his hands and spread his fingers wide. His eyes closed tightly against the fiery brightness of the plasma. With each bucking and shaking of the ship beneath him, he encouraged himself to ride with it instead of fighting it. He was part of the ship, not a passenger. He was the ship, not a reckless pilot guiding it to destruction. In the same way that he could feel his fingers and roes, his mind seeped outward into the metal and plastoid of the frigate, until every joint and weld, every porthole and deck became part of his sense of being. There was no line anymore between Starkiller and the Salvation. They were one and the same being, from the perspective of the Force. He raised his right arm, and the ship followed the movement, listing slowly and heavily to starboard. Some of the headlong shuddering faded, as though it were grateful to have someone at the helm again. Even the wind's shrieking seemed to ebb." - The Force Unleashed II.
Then there's both Vader and Sidious who were at the center of Galen's explosion and Vader both in canon and Legends surviving multiple enormous and powerful explosions.
Then there's Nox: https://youtu.be/-92PJMyYOYg?t=160
Regardless of all of that there are dozens upon dozens of examples of Force users enacting powerful uses of the Force while standing stock still. Why would erecting a Force barrier be any different?
Funny because that seems to be exactly what you're doing when you're attempting to label meaninful intent to the strike team standing still when that's the case for every single fight during a cut scene where they're being attacked or not.
HK-47 did in the fight right before so you'd be wrong. He shot at them but like always they didn't draw their weapons till the cut scene was over.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNovaNaturally without visuals these are useless.
Here you go: "Deadly currents crackled and sparkled around him, kept barely at bay by the judicious application of a Force shield." - The Force Uneashed II.This is as Starkiller's fighting the aberrant clones and dodging their telekinesis as stated prior in the passage.
Here he is applying a Force shield while hanging on to the outer rungs of a ship and maintaining the course of the Salvation as it reenters Kamino's atmosphere.
"This was where it got difficult. He needed to maintain the Force shield against the sort of heat he might find in the outer layers of a star. He also had to keep in mind the target ahead-a target he couldn't see through the plasma, but had to hit square-on or else the planetary shield generators wouldn't fail. No matter what happened, he had to fly straight. Starkiller took a deep breath. The cool trapped air behind the shield would last long enough, he hoped. He had been too worried about frying to consider suffocating to death. He raised his hands and spread his fingers wide. His eyes closed tightly against the fiery brightness of the plasma. With each bucking and shaking of the ship beneath him, he encouraged himself to ride with it instead of fighting it. He was part of the ship, not a passenger. He was the ship, not a reckless pilot guiding it to destruction. In the same way that he could feel his fingers and roes, his mind seeped outward into the metal and plastoid of the frigate, until every joint and weld, every porthole and deck became part of his sense of being. There was no line anymore between Starkiller and the Salvation. They were one and the same being, from the perspective of the Force. He raised his right arm, and the ship followed the movement, listing slowly and heavily to starboard. Some of the headlong shuddering faded, as though it were grateful to have someone at the helm again. Even the wind's shrieking seemed to ebb." - The Force Unleashed II.
Then there's both Vader and Sidious who were at the center of Galen's explosion and Vader both in canon and Legends surviving multiple enormous and powerful explosions.The ability to survive an explosion does not mean you weren't caught off-guard by it.
Then there's Nox: https://youtu.be/-92PJMyYOYg?t=160The energy is striking him lol.
Regardless of all of that there are dozens upon dozens of examples of Force users enacting powerful uses of the Force while standing stock still. Why would erecting a Force barrier be any different?There are, but I think you are confusing that with the ability to withstand an explosion without raising a defence, as Force users are able to maintain an element of passive barriers, this is common knowledge, but besides the point.
Funny because that seems to be exactly what you're doing when you're attempting to label meaninful intent to the strike team standing still when that's the case for every single fight during a cut scene where they're being attacked or not.Who knows what this is a response to. But actually they flinch away, I've said this several times now. Pls stop ignoring the key points. ❌
HK-47 did in the fight right before so you'd be wrong. He shot at them but like always they didn't draw their weapons till the cut scene was over.And the protag being fired at dodges, more evidence of reactions when being attacked in cutscenes me thinks. mmm
It gives you a detailed description for the second and you can literally verify the first one for yourself.
Yes! And it's not doing jack diddly squat. Why do you think that is?
Vader's armor has been damaged by vibroblades and electrical discharges. He's not surviving explosion with a multiple kolometer radius without using an active barrier.
It doesn't matter! It only furthers my point. If they're able to dodge or stumble back there's no reason they couldn't have erected a Force barrier. My point is that them not drawing their weapons during a cutscene is not evidence that they couldn't erect barriers because they've literally never done so in any cutscene whether they're being attacked or not.
OK gonna respond with some simple points:
1. When a barrier is raised, and visual medium, it tends to be signposted be it through a visual barrier or a gesture, in the absence of that, its safe to assume only passive defenses are active. This is true of SWTOR as well.
2. Nobody reacts to an attack without some kind of movement, unless they are a) completely unfazed by it b) don't see it coming. This is human nature. SWTOR doesn't ignore this shit out of laziness or other brands of incompetence.
3. Protags may not arm themselves in SWTOR boss cutscenes, but rarely if ever has the envelop been pushed so hard to have the boss right up in their face, attacking them, during such a scene. It demands the player suspend disbelief to assume they wouldn't arm themselves in this situation if fully prepared, so we are likely not intended to.
4. If you have time to flinch you don't have time to block lol, flinching is an instinctive reaction to the unexpected, not a thought out act, and in fact indicates you are not-prepared.
P.S. The durability of Vader's armour has no bearing on what he can himself endure. And the examples you raised aren't Force-related.