Darth Jadus vs Count Dooku [Force only]

Also learn how to use the quote function already, you're not 12.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Also learn how to use the quote function already, you're not 12.

Seriously, we've seen Nox pull up Barriers in cutscenes and gameplay... We've seen Barsen'Thor do the same. Assuming their Shields are invisible is retarded.

It seems pretty clear they simply were not expecting a Force Push tbh. They were in the middle of a dialogue, after all. SWTOR has always made it clear when a character is putting up shields and/or prepared to fight. Malgus took them off guard.

That's not possible. He literally takes 12 seconds to get up take a running start and then jump down.

Beni your post will be addressed when I can regain access to my comp.

That's the equivalent of PIS in a videogame.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
OK gonna respond with some simple points:

1. When a barrier is raised, and visual medium, it tends to be signposted be it through a visual barrier or a gesture, in the absence of that, its safe to assume only passive defenses are active. This is true of SWTOR as well.

2. Nobody reacts to an attack without some kind of movement, unless they are a) completely unfazed by it b) don't see it coming. This is human nature. SWTOR doesn't ignore this shit out of laziness or other brands of incompetence.

3. Protags may not arm themselves in SWTOR boss cutscenes, but rarely if ever has the envelop been pushed so hard to have the boss right up in their face, attacking them, during such a scene. It demands the player suspend disbelief to assume they wouldn't arm themselves in this situation if fully prepared, so we are likely not intended to.

4. If you have time to flinch you don't have time to block lol, flinching is an instinctive reaction to the unexpected, not a thought out act, and in fact indicates you are not-prepared.

P.S. The durability of Vader's armour has no bearing on what he can himself endure. And the examples you raised aren't Force-related.

1. Go ahead.

2. And that's fine I already agreed with you that the characters move during these cut scenes when necessary ASIDE from drawing their weapons because that's a game mechanic that would have to be repeated upon entering real time engagement which would look bad. They're not able to just start out with weaponry in hand after a cut scene. It's a technical limitation not a plot one.

3. They had failed to arm themselves however when a boss attacks or begins attacking at the end of a cut scene. No it demands they acknowledge that SWTOR is not going to spend money on changing the mechanics so that a character can start with their weapon draw after a cutscene. It's a waste of time and money on their part to do so.

4. Force users have precognition and are capable of percieving things on a far faster level then non force users. If they see a 2 meter tall giant leaping towards them and are trained and disciplined Jedi they're going to prepare to defend themselves but as established above that's not going to be done so instead thee animate them moving back so it doesn't look completely unrealistic. And the character that flinched back was indeed one of the Force users as you can see from their positioning in the video.

"P.S. The durability of Vader's armour has no bearing on what he can himself endure. And the examples you raised aren't Force-related.

You understand that by establish the punishment Vader's armor is capable of taking at the points they were damaged and then mentioning things he survived that are beyond the armor's durability automatically means Vader is going to need to employ some form of Force defense. Vader can take inhuman amounts of punishment, but he's just a human. His skin and bones and organs aren't any more durable then the armor he has on. He can't physically survive the explosions he did without shielding himself in some manner. Whether that's passive shielding as you seem to be suggesting or active ones as I am is up for debate but Vader not doing so at all is not.

Originally posted by Petrus
That's the equivalent of PIS in a videogame.

Or we could assume the strike teams aren't complete retards and acknowledge technical limitations.

We could, but we could also assume Palpatine was not a complete retard in that he actually attempted to teleport whilst falling down the shaft, instead of continuing to shoot useless lightning towards a Vader increasingly out of reach, yet we know the outcome of that one. 🙂

That's one's canonically confirmed retardation. 🙂

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
1. Go ahead.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
1. When a barrier is raised, and visual medium, it tends to be signposted be it through a visual barrier or a gesture, in the absence of that, its safe to assume only passive defenses are active. This is true of SWTOR as well.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
2. And that's fine I already agreed with you that the characters move during these cut scenes when necessary ASIDE from drawing their weapons because that's a game mechanic that would have to be repeated upon entering real time engagement which would look bad. They're not able to just start out with weaponry in hand after a cut scene. It's a technical limitation not a plot one.

3. They had failed to arm themselves however when a boss attacks or begins attacking at the end of a cut scene.

No it demands they acknowledge that SWTOR is not going to spend money on changing the mechanics so that a character can start with their weapon draw after a cutscene. It's a waste of time and money on their part to do so.

Anyway the point is dear that they pushed the envelop unnecessarily, if they hadn't wanted to give the impression the strike team was unprepared, they wouldn't have had Malgus attack them in the cutscene. Simple.

4. Force users have precognition and are capable of percieving things on a far faster level then non force users. If they see a 2 meter tall giant leaping towards them and are trained and disciplined Jedi they're going to prepare to defend themselves but as established above that's not going to be done so instead thee animate them moving back so it doesn't look completely unrealistic. And the character that flinched back was indeed one of the Force users as you can see from their positioning in the video.

[b]"P.S. The durability of Vader's armour has no bearing on what he can himself endure. And the examples you raised aren't Force-related.

You understand that by establish the punishment Vader's armor is capable of taking at the points they were damaged and then mentioning things he survived that are beyond the armor's durability automatically means Vader is going to need to employ some form of Force defense. Vader can take inhuman amounts of punishment, but he's just a human. His skin and bones and organs aren't any more durable then the armor he has on. He can't physically survive the explosions he did without shielding himself in some manner. Whether that's passive shielding as you seem to be suggesting or active ones as I am is up for debate but Vader not doing so at all is not. [/B]

Anyway I never suggested that Vader was completely defenseless lol, only that their is no evidence he erected a Force barrier.

"in the absence of that, its safe to assume only passive defenses are active. This is true of SWTOR as well."

Why? There's nothing necessitating that they visually indicate what they're doing. I prefer to assume that they're not acting stupidly.

"OK. So you admit they didn't see the attack coming then. smile"

Maybe try that again.

"Right..."

Don't know what the "..." is there for. It's true for every cut scene prior to a boss fight that I've found.

"Did you type that out with a straight face? I mean... lol.

Anyway the point is dear that they pushed the envelop unnecessarily, if they hadn't wanted to give the impression the strike team was unprepared, they wouldn't have had Malgus attack them in the cutscene. Simple."

I did, yes.

Or they assume the audience would be smart enough to be aware that the strike team isn't going to be caught off guard by a move that takes Malgus 12 seconds to carry out.

"Irrelevant. This is entirely relative to the superhuman speeds at which Malgus' travels and the fact that they flinched means they were surprised, the fact that some did not move at all means they did not see the attack coming, how many times must this be repeated before you grasp it?"

You're saying that they slowed the footage down and Malgus was really moving much faster?

"What is this? Your attempt at quoting? So you're telling me you can wrap text in bold tags but not quote tags? Are you actually mentally inhibited? Because I'm wondering if its worth continuing this discussion.

Anyway I never suggested that Vader was completely defenseless lol, only that their is no evidence he erected a Force barrier."

That's a call you're going to have to make. And I'm saying there's nothing to suggest his passive Force barrier has the kind of power necessary to protect Vader from those explosions. Especially canon Vader.