Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wolverine, who has met pretty much everyone who is anyone in the Marvel U, had this to say about DSS:That would include abstracts, Skyfathers, trans, and everything in between.
"Met" is more of a introductory word vs seeing someone. It wouldve been more impressive if he said seen vs met. Wolverine has ran into Galactus. I wouldn't say he MET him, I would say he has SEEN him though. Sentry is probably the most powerful being he has met since a lot of people don't introduce themselves to Login.
Originally posted by carver9
"Met" is more of a introductory word vs seeing someone. It wouldve been more impressive if he said seen vs met. Wolverine has ran into Galactus. I wouldn't say he MET him, I would say he has SEEN him though. Sentry is probably the most powerful being he has met since a lot of people don't introduce themselves to Login.
He's already seen Sentry before this time. And I think it's splitting hairs when you go into the meaning of met. From the caption we know it's describing all the people he has seen in comics. I don't think the author (Remender) was thinking "Hmm did Wolverine meet x character or x character for longer than x character".
Note: I'm not saying Robert is TOAA-tier by what Wolverine said. Just explaining the point put across.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He's already seen Sentry before this time. And I think it's splitting hairs when you go into the meaning of met. From the caption we know it's describing all the people he has seen in comics. I don't think the author (Remender) was thinking "Hmm did Wolverine meet x character or x character for longer than x character".Note: I'm not saying Robert is TOAA-tier by what Wolverine said. Just explaining the point put across.
Yep. He has seen and MET Sentry before this encounter, not denying that. He has seen Galactus before as well but they've never "met" before (Galactus didn't even acknowledge him). I just think it wouldve been more impressive if he said seen instead of met.
Originally posted by carver9
Yep. He has seen and MET Sentry before this encounter, not denying that. He has seen Galactus before as well but they've never "met" before (Galactus didn't even acknowledge him). I just think it wouldve been more impressive if he said seen instead of met.
That's what I mean though. In comics I don't think they are going to distinguish between having a conversation over a cup of tea and the brief 5 seconds they visit a celestial godlike being that also doesn't even pay attention to them.
Originally posted by carver9
Old comic. I can't remember the issue number. Maybe someone can help us here. One of the scenes from the comic...I don't think collateral damage plays a part in his fight against Hulk since he knew Hulk capabilities and his entire role during their encounter was to stop him.
Captain Marvel wasn't fused with his Nega-Bands. He was less powerful.
He wasn't in a place where he could unleash his full power.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk almost overpowered an Abstract at his Savage levels (and probably wouldve overpowered him if it wouldve went longer).This version of Hulk is significantly more powerful. Then we have the Beyonder himself being amazed at his power. We also have comics outright saying Hulk is the most powerful living being in existence.
Which Abstract are you referring to ?
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Captain Marvel wasn't fused with his Nega-Bands. He was less powerful.He wasn't in a place where he could unleash his full power.
Which Abstract are you referring to ?
Huh? Maybe I'm lost but when did he get the band's?
Him and Sentry fought each other while Cap was right up under him. I don't think a place or location have anything to do with this. He just couldn't handle Hulk and got overpowered and brushed off during wvery encounter during that fight. Also, if we do a comparison of who both have fought, Hulk tends to look better. Red Hulk is a prime example of this. Also, WWH brushed Thor off as fodder as well during their encounter and basically told him that he isn't even a threat whereas Death said the opposite. Hercules as well. Hulk almost killed him in 3 punches whereas Herc fight against Sentry...
Void Sentry vs Ares it took Sentry a prolong choke and two punches to take the fight out of him. Hulk dropped him in a single hit.
Void Sentry vs Namor was a prolong fight. Namor was in fear of facing WWH.
WWH treated Red Hulk like fodder. Red Hulk outright stomped Sentry and the Avengers.
Hercules gave him hell but admitted Hulk could've killed him if he wanted (but he was holding back).
Ironman defeated him Sentry as well. He amped himself against Hulk to the point that the backlash of power from their blows split New York in half and was shedding nearby mountains and he still lost.
The list goes on.
Originally posted by carver9
Huh? Maybe I'm lost but when did he get the band's?Him and Sentry fought each other while Cap was right up under him. I don't think a place or location have anything to do with this. He just couldn't handle Hulk and got overpowered and brushed off during wvery encounter during that fight. Also, if we do a comparison of who both have fought, Hulk tends to look better. Red Hulk is a prime example of this. Also, WWH brushed Thor off as fodder as well during their encounter and basically told him that he isn't even a threat whereas Death said the opposite. Hercules as well. Hulk almost killed him in 3 punches whereas Herc fight against Sentry...
Remember Sentry, Photon and Cap were in the Microverse. Where if I recall atoms are the size of Planets or something to that degree. So despite the level of the blows they were dishing out Cap could still safely be underneath them.
And Hercs fight against Sentry wasn't really anything at all. Sentry not attacking him seriously. As soon as Sentry starts putting the pressure on Herc starts to groan then he knees Sentry in the crown jewels. Neither of them really threw serious punches ala WWH vs Hercules.
Originally posted by Genii96
Hercules had injuries in his face by allowing hulk hit him. He wasn't anywhere close to deathI didn't realize wwh met Thor
Didn't lessen his durability and Hulk crippled him with the first hit. Can't think of a single character that has or can do that the Herc.
Yep, they met...
Read the words and look at Thor.
Originally posted by carver9
Void Sentry vs Ares it took Sentry a prolong choke and two punches to take the fight out of him. Hulk dropped him in a single hit.Void Sentry vs Namor was a prolong fight. Namor was in fear of facing WWH.
WWH treated Red Hulk like fodder. Red Hulk outright stomped Sentry and the Avengers.
Hercules gave him hell but admitted Hulk could've killed him if he wanted (but he was holding back).
Ironman defeated him Sentry as well. He amped himself against Hulk to the point that the backlash of power from their blows split New York in half and was shedding nearby mountains and he still lost.
The list goes on.
Come on man...
1. Sentry was punching him like any character. Then he just decided to rip him in half.
2. That wasn't Void Sentry. There was clear view of white dialogue captions. And the Sentry was making Namor his ***** until Emma brought sense back to him.
3. Loeb era Hulk? Shall we also say as he can punch out the Watcher he can one punch WBH for example?
I don't even know what to say about the 4th one. I thought you had got over all of that stuff after all the debates we've had.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Come on man...1. Sentry was punching him like any character. Then he just decided to rip him in half.
2. That wasn't Void Sentry. There was clear view of white dialogue captions. And the Sentry was making Namor his ***** until Emma brought sense back to him.
3. Loeb era Hulk? Shall we also say as he can punch out the Watcher he can one punch WBH for example?
I don't even know what to say about the 4th one. I thought you had got over all of that stuff after all the debates we've had.
Not saying any of this as a definite...I'm just throwing out comparisons.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thoughts on the death seed? Do you think he's more powerful or simply more stable?
This answer will sound like I'm avoiding the question.
(I'm not but it for me is a bit convoluted).
Sentry is still insane. He still has that Schizophrenic side to him. But it was the Agoraphobia that set him back. Which shackled him from his power. So when he fought off the Void in the Sun he was at a "power level" where he could keep himself dead. The Death Seed when brought to him. Gave him the idea instead of protecting mutants to killing them (since he's of course a human).
In my opinion the Death Seed took up the empty space in his mind and gave him an objective to follow. He didn't have the Agoraphobia and therefore his power wasn't being held down due to his fears. Since now he doesn't have any fears at all. Almost like he lacks the sense of fear in his brain. I'm never 100% sure if it was the Death Seed that removed his Agoraphobia.
I think as he mentioned he was "cleansed in the Sun". Interesting to think about nevertheless.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
This answer will sound like I'm avoiding the question.(I'm not but it for me is a bit convoluted).
Sentry is still insane. He still has that Schizophrenic side to him. But it was the Agoraphobia that set him back. Which shackled him from his power. So when he fought off the Void in the Sun he was at a "power level" where he could keep himself dead. The Death Seed when brought to him. Gave him the idea instead of protecting mutants to killing them (since he's of course a human).
In my opinion the Death Seed took up the empty space in his mind and gave him an objective to follow. He didn't have the Agoraphobia and therefore his power wasn't being held down due to his fears. Since now he doesn't have any fears at all. Almost like he lacks the sense of fear in his brain. I'm never 100% sure if it was the Death Seed that removed his Agoraphobia.
I think as he mentioned he was "cleansed in the Sun". Interesting to think about nevertheless.
Interesting perspective. Every instance where a character became a horseman theyve been amped in someway. Other than a cosmetic skin change sentry seemed more or less the same.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Interesting perspective. Every instance where a character became a horseman theyve been amped in someway. Other than a cosmetic skin change sentry seemed more or less the same.
Indeed.
DS Sentry is difficult to gauge since we don't know if the death seed functioned as a new source of power or simply added to his existing stores.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Indeed.DS Sentry is difficult to gauge since we don't know if the death seed functioned as a new source of power or simply added to his existing stores.
Exactly.
There are instances where it can be argued though. Death Wolverine/War Hulk/Iceman/Sentry have ambiguous amps if any at all. Then again every single other horseman ever had a visible amp so there's that
