Originally posted by Kazenji
I remember in a story a while back Dredd was getting desperate to catch some guy for a crime and looking for the right evidence etc.....went as low as making up something about the tags off some pillows he owned were removed and another judge pulled him up on it.
Lol see? thats my point. i think he makes things up sometimes. i mean Death penalty for ressisting arrest? 3 weeks for vergancy??? like wtf you are walking down the street after a club and bam, dredd is there. you are going to prison for 3 weeks for that? and then you will be like what? wait what prison i am just walking down the street late at night after being in a club. oh now you are ressisting arrest death.
Originally posted by Dareangel
did you ever see the Penal Code of that universe?
Originally posted by Dareangel
...i mean nobody ever question dredd about the Law Sections he is accusing with.
Originally posted by Kazenji
I remember in a story a while back Dredd was getting desperate to catch some guy for a crime and looking for the right evidence etc.....went as low as making up something about the tags off some pillows he owned were removed and another judge pulled him up on it.
Originally posted by Dareangel
...i dont think most of those criminals really know the law.
I think the whole premise of dredd is to have such an overpopulated world that death and super harsh penalties are the only deterrent and most efficient.
I think they are trying to create a perfect society by rooting out all but the rich and the (just?!?) because there cant be nearly enough resources and jobs for everyone. for the most part dredd follows the letter of the law but he will cut corners if necessary.
Originally posted by riv6672
Yes.
http://judgedredd.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-Crime_CodeSee below.
1. Not his fault.
2. Most law breakers dont.
3. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
thats not a complete penal code. where are the procedure rules. not only as far as crimes but also the defences. like under age defence or self defence, or not being in control for the actions.
of course not knowing the law doesnt release you from standing trial. my point however is that maybe they dont even know if he is correct about the law or not. i mean when you santance someone to death, you better make sure you are following the exact law. also, where is the explanation of the criterias for a murder. the actus reus the mans rea for it. yeah i know its comics but could be cool to have it
Originally posted by staxamillion
I think the whole premise of dredd is to have such an overpopulated world that death and super harsh penalties are the only deterrent and most efficient.I think they are trying to create a perfect society by rooting out all but the rich and the (just?!?) because there cant be nearly enough resources and jobs for everyone. for the most part dredd follows the letter of the law but he will cut corners if necessary.
there is a limit as to how harsh the panlties can be before people will riot and not play along with the law. thats the Garry baker theory. he said that when a criminal is considering to commit felony or not to commit, the deterrence he see in front of him is the punishementXthe probability to get caught. now the question where does it stand as far as his value to the benefit he get from the crime. Baker suggested to lower the costs of the enforcement which will lower taxes, and instead get higher punishement. lets say the criminal values the robbery as 50 and the punishement of being in prison for X years is 100 to him and the probability to get captures is 55%. that means he wont do the crime. of course there are many factors but they are all taken into account in the example numbers. now, if we decrease the % to get caught by less law enforcement, but increase the punishement he still wont do the crime because more years in prison or death costs more to him. however, there is a limit as to how far you can push the punishment because if for every felony you do, you get a very harsh punishement it wont make a difference to you and you will stop playing by the law. the deterrence will lose its value. so i dont think they use a very smart method if thats the plan.
Originally posted by Dareangel"Crime: arguing with a Judge. Sentence: Death!"
did you ever see the Penal Code of that universe? i mean nobody ever question dredd about the Law Sections he is accusing with. i dont think most of those criminals really know the law. it would be funny if someone actually question him like what? section 3.5? what are you talking about dredd? thats the section about witnessing a crime and being detained for questioning on spot. what death penalty are you talking about.
Originally posted by Dareangel
there is a limit as to how harsh the panlties can be before people will riot and not play along with the law. thats the Garry baker theory. he said that when a criminal is considering to commit felony or not to commit, the deterrence he see in front of him is the punishementXthe probability to get caught. now the question where does it stand as far as his value to the benefit he get from the crime. Baker suggested to lower the costs of the enforcement which will lower taxes, and instead get higher punishement. lets say the criminal values the robbery as 50 and the punishement of being in prison for X years is 100 to him and the probability to get captures is 55%. that means he wont do the crime. of course there are many factors but they are all taken into account in the example numbers. now, if we decrease the % to get caught by less law enforcement, but increase the punishement he still wont do the crime because more years in prison or death costs more to him. however, there is a limit as to how far you can push the punishment because if for every felony you do, you get a very harsh punishement it wont make a difference to you and you will stop playing by the law. the deterrence will lose its value. so i dont think they use a very smart method if thats the plan.
I kinda thinks that's the point. that what I always think when I read/watch dredd anyways.
I always feel like dredd represents an ideal in a hopeless situation
i think that for me at least, judge dredd comics answered a debate jurists always have. is the Law system reflecting the face of society, or is it the other way around. judge dredd answered the question and i actually agree with the answer. the law reflects the society. unless we are talking about colonial countries, which usually use the british law system because of the past. but even in those countries we see changes in many main subjects.
Originally posted by Dareangel
thats not a complete penal code.
Originally posted by Dareangel
did you ever see the Penal Code of that universe?
Quitcher bicthing.
You're like one of those shirtless guys on the old COPS Tv Show who'd get run down by police and start arguing "the law" with them like you had a leg to stand on. 😆
Originally posted by riv6672
Quitcher bicthing.
You're like one of those shirtless guys on the old COPS Tv Show who'd get run down by police and start arguing "the law" with them like you had a leg to stand on. 😆
but i am right. this is not a complete penal code. and whats wrong with knowing the law? knowing the law and your rights in many cases can prevent a violation of your rights.
Originally posted by staxamillion
yeah that's kinda why I figured the law was mainly to keep population down since the judge could kill for what seems like little things.you probably get 3 years in an isocube for jaywalking and if you try to run away they shoot you.
i think a dredd vs 2099 (marvel continuity would be cool)
This pretty much tells you who will win:
i thought dredd was genetically created and programmed to know all law and be infallible in all questions when it comes to laws, adjudication, and sentencing.
plus i think Daredevil only has a license to practice law in New York. im sure Murdock only has specialties in criminal law and probably the US constitution but i doubt he could rattle off uncommon esoteric laws like it being illegal to keep an ice cream cone in your back pocket in Kentucky.