Revan (DarthAnt66) vs Darth Traya and the Jedi Exile (ShootingNova)

Originally posted by AncientPower
That makes no sense at all, they are clarifying that this is nothing more than a personal opinion and bares none of the authority they had when actually writing their works.

Chris Avellone literally only ever talks about what they had planned going forward from Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. His versions of the 'True Sith' were never canon, neither is anything else he envisioned. His version of Darth Revan and the actual Darth Revan, are two entirely different beasts.

Glad to see you're learning.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Glad to see you're learning.

So I guess the way to go on this site is to evaluate characters purely based off of feats, while completely ignoring authorial intent, accolades, logic, scaling, quotes, etc, especially if it's your favorite character who happens to have the superior feats but fewer accolades. Because obviously author opinions don't matter, in-universe quotes are automatically unreliable and irrelevant, and out of universe quotes obviously aren't canon either for reasons. So feats only it is 👍

Who said only feats matter ?

Originally posted by nfactor1995
So I guess the way to go on this site is to evaluate characters purely based off of feats, while completely ignoring authorial intent, accolades, logic, scaling, quotes, etc, especially if it's your favorite character who happens to have the superior feats but fewer accolades. Because obviously author opinions don't matter, in-universe quotes are automatically unreliable and irrelevant, and out of universe quotes obviously aren't canon either for reasons. So feats only it is 👍

It's funny people often discuss author quotes and opinions as though authors are taking into account the debates of a bunch of nerds on versus forums.

They aren't. They just write books.

BTT: SunRazer has been debunked. He loses by default.

Originally posted by darthbane77
Authors dismissing their opinions as simply opinions is, well, their opinion. It doesn't mean they can't be used in debates.

Originally posted by Trocity
It's funny people often discuss author quotes and opinions as though authors are taking into account the debates of a bunch of nerds on versus forums.

They aren't. They just write books.

Drew does. He doesn't want us nerds to be taking his word as gospel, so he refuses to give clear verdicts half the time. lol

Ngl, that's cool from Drew imo.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Nope, accolades and scaling are obviously canon.
We may can use holisticall intent and Author quotes as evidence.

That's what I've done on quite a few matchups, and I always get that guy (or guys) who pull the whole "none of that (scaling, quotes, accolades etc) matters because the feats don't line up" argument.

It's also funny that as soon as someone says "author quotes are an opinion, not fact", others pretend that the person just said that author quotes are meaningless. You know, meaninglessness and gospel are the two extremes of the spectrum. There are things in the middle.

Although when an author says "this is just my opinion", you really can't consider it as a fact, lol. And especially not if you tout policies such as "it has to proven by feats also" etc. So no double standards from me, but definitely from Mr. "feats have to prove it's correct" and then proceeds to cite author quotes as fact when it contradicts showings.

A "feats only" approach is stupid, anyway. If everything has to be confirmed by feats, then there isn't even a point in having accolades or quotes.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's also funny that as soon as someone says "author quotes are an opinion, not fact", others pretend that the person just said that author quotes are meaningless. You know, meaninglessness and gospel are the two extremes of the spectrum. There are things in the middle.

Although when an author says "this is just my opinion", you really can't consider it as a fact, lol. And especially not if you tout policies such as "it has to proven by feats also" etc. So no double standards from me, but definitely from Mr. "feats have to prove it's correct" and then proceeds to cite author quotes as fact when it contradicts showings.

A "feats only" approach is stupid, anyway. If everything has to be confirmed by feats, then there isn't even a point in having accolades or quotes.

The one thing that's getting me in all of this is the idea that authors aren't the top authority on their OWN works. Like, if I wrote a book, then someone asked me about a matchup between characters A and B (which I created and wrote about in the book), why would I not be the #1 authority on who is superior? I can understand the argument that I can't define crossover matchups from other media, but within the context of my own creations, I don't see who else could have more authority than myself (the author).

Originally posted by Beniboybling
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Originally posted by nfactor1995
The one thing that's getting me in all of this is the idea that authors aren't the top authority on their OWN works. Like, if I wrote a book, then someone asked me about a matchup between characters A and B (which I created and wrote about in the book), why would I not be the #1 authority on who is superior? I can understand the argument that I can't define crossover matchups from other media, but within the context of my own creations, I don't see who else could have more authority than myself (the author).

Well, firstly, Avellone didn't create Revan, and Drew Karpyshyn had contradictory thoughts on Exile vs Revan to Avellone. Avellone thought that Revan could kick the Exile's ass in a duel, yet Drew cited the Exile as likely being better at dueling. Do you see where it gets muddy? And why Drew doesn't want author quotes to be taken as evidence on these forums?

Originally posted by darthbane77
I fail to see what's funny aside from the fact that you're still here.

You're dismissing that on the grounds of author quotes being invalid, which requires you to dismiss all author quotes.

Or else you accept it as valid, in which case you shouldn't be taking author judgments on fights as evidence.

Originally posted by SunRazer
You're dismissing that on the grounds of author quotes being invalid, which requires you to dismiss all author quotes.

Or else you accept it as valid, in which case you shouldn't be taking author judgments on fights as evidence.

It was an author quote being brought up, meaning that you'd either have to accept it (and thus invalidate the author judgments on fight scenarios) or dismiss it and thus dismiss all author quotes.

You're effectively trapped. There's no way around it. Your dismissal was basically a double standard between whether you wanted to use author quotes or not, which is what Beni was laughing at.

An author saying they don't think their word matters is their opinion, that doesn't invalidate quotes concerning the universe as Canon.