Originally posted by h1a8
Cap is overrated here. We should look at average Cap (not high end).
In a comic 5 Mike Tysons will give Cap a hell of a fight.
average cap is going toe 2 toe with super humans all the time. high end Cap is the uber guy that beats hulk and rhino H2H. now tyson, is not a peak human and not even close. he is just a boxer who hits harder than many other heavyweights. thats about it. as far as speed durability and stamina, he has the average of a heavyweight boxer. he is just a boxer. a good one? yes. but in comic book standards it doesnt matter. slightly stronger or weaker its the same category. human athletic level of stats. do you think 50 of those can stand up to cap who is low super human in average? to me as far as feats, Cap was on par with deathstroke. strength, speed, stamina, skills, 50 human boxers will be nothing but a fodder to him. also i took it that far on purpose. i wanted to show that in any case and scenario cap wins. however in reality, there is only a room for 6 people to attack him at once. tyson in his prime was a wide and big guy. so only 4 tysons could hit him at once from all directions. thats a joke. thats seriously a stomp for cap.
Cap doesnt need anything aside of his fists here. even 1 fist. he is too strong. too fast. too durable. insane stamina on super human levels. the biggest question here would be can all of them land a single hit on him. thats the best they will be able to do. however a hit here and there is going to do nothing to cap. however all it takes is 1 punch from him to ko. 50 seconds and they are all down.
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Theres no kicking no shield no body armor
He took a blast from Gambit, at point blank range:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103377/2350679-avx_zone_007.jpg
https://teamhellions.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/avxvs02cap.jpg
Without any body armour, or shield.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85he never got hit
He's fought a guy who was even stronger/faster than him, at boxing, and won.Iron Mike isn't stronger nor faster. And with 50 of them, they don't stack on top of each other to form a 50x Mike, that's stupid, lol. They will attack 1, prob 4 at a time, no more.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Strength about 800-1000lb overhead. Running about 30- 35mph. Pinnacle of human perfection as intended. Caps skill is what puts him well beyond a human though. I changed my mind. He will definitely take down at least 5-10 Tysons before getting hit. After that, he may take down an additional 5-10 before getting pummeled and overwhelmed.
What's his average then?
Originally posted by h1a8
Strength about 800-1000lb overhead. Running about 30- 35mph. Pinnacle of human perfection as intended. Caps skill is what puts him well beyond a human though. I changed my mind. He will definitely take down at least 5-10 Tysons before getting hit. After that, he may take down an additional 5-10 before getting pummeled and overwhelmed.
so basically you believe 40 tysons is too much for cap to handle. 40 thugs is way too much for cap to survive.... amazing. your opinion is just amazing.
since physically we come to the conclusion only 4 - 6 tysons can attack him at the same time, you believe he doesnt have the stamina to keep going and take them out? because if you believe he can take out 10 tysons before getting hit then he shouldnt have a problem keep doing so until they are all down. since its the same wave of tysons he has to handle. and if you believe he simply will tire out himself after 10 tysons... you seriously need to read more about cap. because just WOW
Originally posted by Dareangel1 Mike Tyson >>> several thugs
so basically you believe 40 tysons is too much for cap to handle. 40 thugs is way too much for cap to survive.... amazing. your opinion is just amazing.since physically we come to the conclusion only 4 - 6 tysons can attack him at the same time, you believe he doesnt have the stamina to keep going and take them out? because if you believe he can take out 10 tysons before getting hit then he shouldnt have a problem keep doing so until they are all down. since its the same wave of tysons he has to handle. and if you believe he simply will tire out himself after 10 tysons... you seriously need to read more about cap. because just WOW
I'm using Cap's average and intended created level. If I use Cap's highest then he stomps the 50 Mike Tysons easily.
With that said, Being wrapped up by a weaker person definitely slows you down. For example, Im much stronger than my 8 year old niece. She grabs me and wraps me up and I can't move anywhere as fast as I normally can (although I can easily overpower her).
Mike Tysons wouldn't just resort to punching Cap. Some will probably try to grab him. They will be from all angles and have Cap surrounded. Also Mike Tyson is no slouch on reflexes either.
Originally posted by h1a8
1 Mike Tyson >>> several thugs
He can one shot each and every thug.I'm using Cap's average and intended created level. If I use Cap's highest then he stomps the 50 Mike Tysons easily.
With that said, Being wrapped up by a weaker person definitely slows you down. For example, Im much stronger than my 8 year old niece. She grabs me and wraps me up and I can't move anywhere as fast as I normally can (although I can easily overpower her).
Mike Tysons wouldn't just resort to punching Cap. Some will probably try to grab him. They will be from all angles and have Cap surrounded. Also Mike Tyson is no slouch on reflexes either.
you just make thing up. mike tyson = several thugs? which thugs? are all thugs the same strength level and skill level? to cap they are because they are just weak humans to him. but tyson is just a guy who can box when we look at those scales.
if we copy mike tyson into the comic book universe then he is just a boxer. again, champion or no champion its the same standard in a universe where someone like cap can pick up a tree or rip out a huge statue.
again, caps average is going up against super humans and taking them out. call it jober aura i dont care, thats his average. his stats are 95% of the time displayed as beyond those of a ahuman being. so to him a good boxer is nothing more than a random canon fodder thug.
now you are trying to match the reflex of a boxer vs cap? first of all nowhere in his fighting history did mike tyson present some insane speed or reflex. he presents the average reflex and speed of a boxer. his ace was his punching power. trying to compare the reflex of average boxer with captain freakin america is wrong. very wrong.
This is a boxing match as the OP stated. however, even if they go street fighting and try to grab him he will simply overpower and toss them like toys. remember, no more than 4 - 6 can go up against him at a time. mike tyson doesnt have any special strength abilities. he is not on the strength elvel of the worlds strongest man competitors. he is a boxer. he is strong but again as far as his human athlete class. he is nothing to captain america. hell, if we are talking about jumping cap and grabing him, then mike tyson is probably weaker than many street thugs cap faced and treated like toys based on size alone.
seriously stop and think about the things you are saying. 50 guys who simply can box and have nice punching power for the average human being will take cap out? most of the boxers that went up against tyson went for 5 - 8 rounds with him and took his punches. you think cap is weaker than them and will go down from that punching power? again think about the things you are saying.
