Michael Demiurgos vs. Synnar

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backup Senior Member

Michael Demiurgos vs. Synnar

Michael Demiurgos:

http://static9.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/9116/691654-lucifer44.png

vs.

Synnar (with the Demiurge):

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9241/601225-616px_isilliencomic.jpg

Who wins this fight for everything?

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

If Synnar wasn't lying when he told his backstory, he wins. He created EVERYTHING that wasn't "God" by himself with no help.

RangerDX Senior Member

The power Synnar would have is technically the same power Michael had.

Theres nothing to suggest Synnar has much in the way of speed of durability, just the outright power granted to do that feat

Michael should win, their power should be equal but he should have the edge everywhere else.

Best case scenario for Synnar is a stalemate.

Zack M Senior Member

Michael.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by RangerDX
The power Synnar would have is technically the same power Michael had.

No. Synnar is more than Michael. He's literally the "Lesser Yaheweh". The only things he didn't create were "God" and maybe Heaven. Everything else, from angels to humans to universes and nether realms were created by Synnar :

He even calls the angels and rebel angels his "children".

Cogito Senior Member

We all lose, phuck Starlin

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by RangerDX
The power Synnar would have is technically the same power Michael had.
This is correct.

Aside from the fact that Michael's Demiurgic power was used to create Lucifer's totality(along with all of the concepts within it) ex nihilo, Michael also used his power to restore every single atom of Yahweh's creation...

"Examine your own substance. Or that of anything you see --stars, stones, water, air-- look close enough and you will see Michael's will working there."

"That is impossible! What you suggest, only God can do!"

"He is the Demiurge. God chose him as his second. Now, as God's mark fades and creation falters, Michael renews it moment by moment. He writes God's name afresh on every atom of existence.":
http://i.imgur.com/biVHYbS.jpg

cdtm Restricted

Presence did say he didn't "need" Michael and Lucifer.

He also said Lucifer's will wrote Presence's name on every atom of existance. Either Synarr contradict's this, or he didn't do as much as he claimed.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

...Or the more likely scenario: Starlin said "f*ck established continuity", and just did his own thing. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. 🙂

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

starlin has long since rounded the bend into jokesville. the guy comes in, utterly screws things up then all the other writers just ignore what he wrote. i think we of the kmc should do likewise from this point forward. 👆

RangerDX Senior Member
Originally posted by Cogito
We all lose, phuck Starlin

One of the worst writers in comics. Mother****er cant do a story without making someone a multiversal nigh omnipotent entity. Damn near ruined Lucifer and New Gods with his bullshit.

RangerDX Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
This is correct.

Aside from the fact that Michael's Demiurgic power was used to create Lucifer's totality(along with all of the concepts within it) ex nihilo, Michael also used his power to restore every single atom of Yahweh's creation...

"Examine your own substance. Or that of anything you see --stars, stones, water, air-- look close enough and you will see Michael's will working there."

"That is impossible! What you suggest, only God can do!"

"He is the Demiurge. God chose him as his second. Now, as God's mark fades and creation falters, Michael renews it moment by moment. He writes God's name afresh on every atom of existence.":
http://i.imgur.com/biVHYbS.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
starlin has long since rounded the bend into jokesville. the guy comes in, utterly screws things up then all the other writers just ignore what he wrote. i think we of the kmc should do likewise from this point forward. 👆

👆 👆

cdtm Restricted
Originally posted by RangerDX
One of the worst writers in comics. Mother****er cant do a story without making someone a multiversal nigh omnipotent entity. Damn near ruined Lucifer and New Gods with his bullshit.

Not to mention Bizarro Superman.

Zack M Senior Member

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Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Galan007

This is correct.

I wouldn't think that G. Synnar was portrayed as an actual challenge to God,

.. while opr and yurself I believe

have proven Mikey and/or Lucy get rubbed out with a thought by the Presence.

Also, Synnar created Michael and Lucy in Starlin's vision.

Originally posted by Galan007

...Or the more likely scenario: Starlin said "f*ck established continuity",

and just did his own thing.

Certainly wouldn't be the first time.


👆 ...

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Mr Master
I wouldn't think that G.
From a raw power standpoint, they were the same level(IF you take Synnar's word at face value, of course)... I provided evidence as to why in my previous post.

Mr Master Junior Member

^^ Starlin's concept was diferent than Carey's or Gaiman's.

Synnar simultaneously stalemated the Presence, plus all of Heaven and Hell, (Mikey/Lucy included) before ultimately losing.

Starlin's "Presence" was not omniscient, omnipresent or omnipotent.

In fact, according to the story, Synnar was trying to reach a stated labeled "infinite omnipotence,"
which would supersede the nigh-omnipotent "Presence."

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

😂

backup Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
I wouldn't think that G. Synnar was portrayed as an actual challenge to God,

.. while opr and yurself I believe

have proven Mikey and/or Lucy get rubbed out with a thought by the Presence.

Also, Synnar created Michael and Lucy in Starlin's vision.

👆 ...

I don't think so, both had the power of God, literally.

Lucifer #11:

http://imgur.com/a/ZFjsh

^ "God had vested in you the demiurgic power. The word of fire that builds and breaks".

Rann-Thanagar Holy War #6:

http://imgur.com/335f7Ws

^ "The lord of all that was and is granted me the power to create his dream".

Close battle imo, and dunno really wins this fight.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by backup

I don't think so, both had the power of God, literally.

Michael does not equate to the power of the Presence, since the Presence can erase him with a thought.
So, that's good ol' fashion hyperbole.

On the other hand,
Synnar actually did battle the Presence PLUS all of Heaven and Hell combined, (includes Michael)
and while Synnar lost, it was a great battle before he did.

Anyway, we can't properly compare them
since Starlin's vision of the DC divine hierarchy is somewhat different than Carey's or Gaimen's.

One thing's for certain, although they were supposed to represent the same concept (Demiurge)
Synnar was written as a far more potent "demiurge" than Michael.

But again, different writers, different ideas portrayed.