Michael Demiurgos vs. Synnar

Started by cdtm2 pages

Presence can erase him because he created him, the same way Lord Thor could undo the Asgardian Destroyer.

Not a perfect 1 for 1 example, but Presence himself did make the claim himself that he gave Michael power that was like an endless ocean.

It could be equally true that Michael can match Presence in raw big bang output, while still being < overall.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Michael does not equate to the power of the Presence, since the Presence can erase him with a thought.
So, that's good ol' fashion hyperbole.
No, Michael literally possessed the Demiurgic power -God's raw power- in its totality -- this was stated/reiterated several times throughout the series. More importantly, this fact was also shown when Lucifer used said power to create his own totality ex nihilo, and again when Michael himself used it to renew Yahweh's entire creation atom by atom. Heck, it was also stated more than once in the series that Lucifer/Michael originally created Yahweh's cosmos(that's the purpose Yahweh fashioned them for in the first place.) So yeah... /shrug

Michael would be destroyed by the Presence because he lacked the other qualities that make one a 'true' supreme being; such as infinite will(of which Lucifer was endowed with), etc. As I have said in the past: raw power alone does not make one equal to God.

Originally posted by leonidas
starlin has long since rounded the bend into jokesville. the guy comes in, utterly screws things up then all the other writers just ignore what he wrote. i think we of the kmc should do likewise from this point forward. 👆

Shame too. I liked a lot of Starlin's DC work. He shed some light on lesser-used characters like The Weird and Adam Strange. He's also responsible for making Adam Warlock one of my favorite characters ever. Nobody wrote Warlock the same after that.

Originally posted by Galan007
No, Michael literally possessed the Demiurgic power -God's raw power- in its totality -- this was stated/reiterated several times throughout the series. More importantly, this fact was also shown when Lucifer used said power to create his own totality ex nihilo, and again when Michael himself used it to renew Yahweh's entire creation atom by atom. Heck, it was also stated more than once in the series that Lucifer/Michael originally created Yahweh's cosmos(that's the purpose Yahweh fashioned them for in the first place.) So yeah... /shrug

Michael would be destroyed by the Presence because he lacked the other qualities that make one a 'true' supreme being; such as infinite will(of which Lucifer was endowed with), etc. As I have said in the past: raw power alone does not make one equal to God.

God already stated how he would unmake creation, including Michael/Lucifer - from the beginning. It would be as though creation/Michael had never been created. That's a power beyond raw energies, which is what Michael is.

Exactly. As stated on panel: Michael is just a vessel for the divine power.

Originally posted by Digi
Shame too. I liked a lot of Starlin's DC work. He shed some light on lesser-used characters like The Weird and Adam Strange. He's also responsible for making Adam Warlock one of my favorite characters ever. Nobody wrote Warlock the same after that.

Or Thanos. I liked Giffen's writing, but even he wasn't really the same.

And Secret War was just painful. Suicide by Doom maybe, but still, he ended up looking like a brain damaged clone..

Originally posted by cdtm
Or Thanos. I liked Giffen's writing, but even he wasn't really the same.

And Secret War was just painful. Suicide by Doom maybe, but still, he ended up looking like a brain damaged clone..

Agreed. I re-read Infinity Gauntlet recently. To see Thanos more recently compared to that is...disappointing.

Originally posted by Digi
Nobody wrote Warlock the same after that.
Quoted for truth

Synnar is easily more powerful and aware being.