Originally posted by Ursumeles
Hey...
Deronn...
At least you look good 🙂
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Yes, I can be rather dashing at times.
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Though, how did you find that pic? mmm
Okay, now for the opener. You're great Tempest, greater than me, and, quite possibly, the best this forum, or any other forum that debates Star Wars has ever seen. To me however, you're nothing but an obstacle that stands in my way of climbing the metaphorical ladder to the top.
Now lets get this party started, shall we?
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I will start this of by saying: Vader won't last very long. He is outclassed by Valkorion so badly, that his presence is effectively insignificance. Unless Palpatine sticks his neck out to protect his apprentice at all cost, he isn't won't survive past the initial onslaught. One of the main reasons for that is Valkorion's incredible telepathic prowess.
Even as a child, before gaining a absolute substantial amount of power, knowledge, and skill in the Force, he utterly trashed Dramath's mind:
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Tenebrae broke Lord Dramath's mind, but not before revealing that he was actually his son.
--Excerpt from Old Republic Encyclopedia
Later on, after gaining a substantial amount of power and control, while using only a small fraction of his power, he was able to utterly dominate the minds of Revan and Malak:
By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall. The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War.
--Excerpt from Old Republic Encyclopedia
Even accounting for the nexus, it only required if we do want to nitpick the showing by screaming "NEXUS!", note the quote specifically says it required only a fractionof Vitiate power so it more than evens itself out.
Other Valkorion telepathic showing include, but not limited to:
- Mentally suppressing Vaylin's power.
- Mentally dominating an entire strike team of the most powerful Jedi in the Galaxy.
- Mind controlled countless minds during the Ziost campaign
- Dropped telepathic discomfort to the point he was dropped to his knees via a small glimpse in his mind
- Being significantly more powerful than the army controlling and fleet wiping telepathic powers of the Dread Master collective.
This is literally hundreds of years before Vitiate/Valkorion factually gained a substantial amount of power, which, would logically make his telepathy even more potent and lethal.
Now, one could claim Vader's telepathy would/should be efficient enough to fend off Valkorion's - my response: where is the proof to back up such an assumption? Four times, we have seen Vader's mind attacked, and each and every time, Vader's defenses can be said to have left much to be desired. To put the aforemention events in perspective
1) The time he was clearly visibly affected, once by Luke Skywalker in the old Marvel Comics:
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Luke, at this point, was an absolute n00b as it took place probably months after the events of AnH, yet, Vader visibly shaken by the telepathic blast. You can say his mind was unshielded, but per sources such as Shield of Lies, Force users are protected by intrinsic telepathic barriers that doesn't require any conscious thought. So anyway you want to spin it, Vader's not looking so good.
2) In the The Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook: Clone B-2332-54, Palpatine was able to mentally molest Vader from distance measured in light years. Sidous, per it's absence in the text, was met with no resistance despite Vader's chance to rebuke his intrusion
3) In the comic Darth Vader and the Lost Command, we once again see Vader fall prey to telepathy, this time in the fashion of multiple illusions created by Saro.
4) And finally, in the novel Last of the Jedi, Vader was unable to initially detect illusions created by Jax Pavan. He eventually did, but it took him some time to figure it out just what they were. Albeit Jax's illusions are formidable, but they pale in comparison to the Dread Masters, someone who's power is "insignificant" compared to Vitiate own, let alone Valkorion.
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So, to summarize this post:
- Valkorion is the of the most monstrous and dominating telepaths in the entire Star Wars universe, that has mentally dominated absolute power house characters.
- Time and again, Vader has showed his in suggestible to telepathic attacks, and he has absolutely zero showing [to my knowledge] that suggest he could fend off Valkorion's dominating mental fortitude.
Therefore, from the onset of this match, Vader is immediately downed by a telepathic attack, leaving Valkorion and Palpatne to duke it out. That match-up being another can of worms I will open up and get to in my next post.
End post # 1.
