Originally posted by Nephthys
👆"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, [b]and feeding upon the death it causes."
The technique causes the death. [/B]
She also says that the technique draws upon the Jedi's own strength to kill them, so if you're basing it off that then there's no reason for any of this "excess energy".
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its the only thing that could cause it. There was no mechanical attack, and no need for any attack other than the drain. Do you seriously suggest Nihilus just smashed up the buildings with a separate, pointless attack for kicks like a child stomping sandcastles?
I'm not suggesting it - TCSWE is. And we clearly see the buildings collapsing before people died.
It isn't, you're just interpreting it that way. And as it turns out, you were wrong. Get over it. You didn't answer my question btw, are you seriously suggesting that as a valid explanation? And yes we do genius, because the attack hadn't reached those people yet. Good jorb. 👆
I'm not sure if you even expect us to take you seriously anymore. You're literally arguing against everything except your own opinions. We can literally see what happened and you're still trying to say it was different. We are told how the attack works and you are still suggesting its not true. We have only one explanation that makes sense and has support from other examples and your still being stubborn. You've even implied that you might just be ****ing with us.
Like, I'm pretty sure we're done here, man. 😬
You still haven't responded to the other post like you promised, which is full of points that you haven't even addressed up to now. Whether Drain affects buildings or not is completely inconsequential to the main point - that he can't just rock up to a planet and instantly devour all life on it.
We're told the attack works, yeah - and nowhere is it stated or even implied that there's environmental or external damage of any sort, in any of the power's descriptions. On the other hand, TCSWE implies that the Drain is separate to the "blasting into ruin" part. Whereas you're making up this "excess energy" nonsense which has no basis and you think that's reasonable because it aligns with your stance.
Heck, you're even going against Beni's "excess energy" argument, in which case you don't even have an argument for Drain damaging buildings (Vitiate hadn't even been invented yet, so clearly he isn't a reliable basis, not to mention that the power he was using was different anyways).
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its the only thing that could cause it. There was no mechanical attack, and no need for any attack other than the drain. Do you seriously suggest Nihilus just smashed up the buildings with a separate, pointless attack for kicks like a child stomping sandcastles?
Look at this the highlighted part:
"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes."
If death is a source of energy for Darth Nihilus, then it doesn't matters how people are dying. He will instinctively feed on the deaths he is causing. So even if his Starship blasts a city into ruins, he will still be feeding on the resultant deaths there, to replenish himself or restore his power.
Just wanted to make this clear.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its the only thing that could cause it. There was no mechanical attack, and no need for any attack other than the drain. Do you seriously suggest Nihilus just smashed up the buildings with a separate, pointless attack for kicks like a child stomping sandcastles?
Look at the highlighted part:
"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes."
If death is a source of energy for Darth Nihilus, then it doesn't matters how people are dying; he will instinctively feed on the deaths he is causing. So even if his Starship blasts a city into ruins, he will still be feeding on the resultant deaths there.
The aforementioned dynamic is actually similar to what happened in Ziost. Vitiate used his powers to create and spread violence across the world; the resultant deaths became a source of energy for him to draw from, to replenish himself and/or grow in power.
Just wanted to make this clear.
Originally posted by SunRazer
You still haven't responded to the other post like you promised, which is full of points that you haven't even addressed up to now. Whether Drain affects buildings or not is completely inconsequential to the main point - that he can't just rock up to a planet and instantly devour all life on it.We're told the attack works, yeah - and nowhere is it stated or even implied that there's environmental or external damage of any sort, in any of the power's descriptions. On the other hand, TCSWE implies that the Drain is separate to the "blasting into ruin" part. Whereas you're making up this "excess energy" nonsense which has no basis and you think that's reasonable because it aligns with your stance.
Heck, you're even going against Beni's "excess energy" argument, in which case you don't even have an argument for Drain damaging buildings (Vitiate hadn't even been invented yet, so clearly he isn't a reliable basis, not to mention that the power he was using was different anyways).
You've given me no reason to respond to your insane theories. They've been entirely debunked and you're just resorting to throwing a tantrum and complaining that things don't make sense. I hate to break it to you, by Space Magic isn't always internally consistent and logical.
We're shown in Unseen, Unheard, you raving lunatic. We can plainly see it destroying the surface. TCSWE implies nothing of the sort as I proved, which you conveniently forgot to respond to. And even then, a poorly worded sentence isn't strong enough proof to contradict the blatant evidence against it.
Vitiate's attack isn't much different than Nihilus', and serves to prove that drain can destroy structures and devastate a planet. You're getting it confused, Vitiate's attack was clearly based around Nihilus', using the latter as inspiration for the latter and retroactively cementing it. Complain all you want, it proves 100% that Nihilus' attack could have destroyed Katarr.
Originally posted by SunRazer
The Exile directly says that Nihilus already senses that there are no Jedi. And as both Visas and Tobin claim, if there are no Jedi on the planet, then he will feed on it anyway to sate himself to whatever extent possible.Out of range? He was trying to feed on Onderon from across the galaxy. And don't you place stock in that "Devastating Power, Distant Power" stuff that claims Nihilus' Drain has the range of a star system?
This also doesn't explain what his preparation to Drain the planet was. Unless you think the actual preparation was targeting every single organism on the planet below? Regardless, the SWTOR codex mentions him preparing to devour "all life" on the planet below, meaning it's indiscriminate and not just in relation to the Jedi, and it also means that only "all life" would be affected, again, not including buildings.
Obviously he senses it, he's trying to make sense of it or see if they're hiding somehow. I'm fairly sure the line you're referring to it the Exile going "you can already sense the Jedi aren't here you dunce" to Nihilus in his confrontation.
No he wasn't and no I don't.
We aren't shown any preparation in any of the cases the attack is used. Any speculation about preparation is completely baseless and speculative. You'll need more than maybe's, I'm afraid.
No shit is he not going to devour the buildings. That isn't exclusionary to the other effects of the attack.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Why would he spare Visas of all people on the planet? It seems to be more that Nihilus traversed the planet to see if there were any survivors, and upon finding Visas, took her back. Where is it said that the intentionally saved Visas from the get go?
Who knows or cares. Completely random pick. You're suggesting that Visas someone survived the attack on her own merits? That's insane and completely fly's in the face of everything we know about the technique. Stop being so stupid.
Originally posted by SunRazer
He never went to Onderon but he was trying to feed upon it from a distance.
No he wasn't.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Unless you can find an alternative explanation for what was trying to feed on Onderon.
Gosh I don't know, maybe the Sith that were there who were shown trying to feed on the dark energies that the Exile and her party actually stopped???? Naw, too much of a longshot. It must have been Nihilus trying to drain it from across the galaxy who the Exile stopped off-screen or something. Much more likely.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Whatever Vitiate did isn't the same power as Nihilus', which affects connections to life and the Force, not buildings, which constitute neither. If Vitiate damaged buildings, then that's just proof that he's doing something else.
Whinge harder, it'll still be proof that Nihilus' attack could destroy the surface even if we couldn't plainly see it do so.
Originally posted by SunRazer
I just said it would've either been off-panel or some other Force attack, but not Force Drain.That's why TCSWE mentions Nihilus "blasting worlds into ruin" independently of his feeding on them. [b]They're not the same power.
You don't get to talk about what's dumb after positing that an attack that drains life forces and Force connections can hurt buildings, by the way. [/B]
It's been proven to be neither, so good job.
No it doesn't, that's just your piss-poor interpretation of the sentence structure. One of us has an English degree and it isn't you.
I do when you're be so very, very stupid. Drain has been proven to be capable of doing it. You lose.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My friend,Look at this the highlighted part:
"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes."
If death is a source of energy for Darth Nihilus, then it doesn't matters how people are dying. He will instinctively feed on the deaths he is causing. So even if his Starship blasts a city into ruins, he will still be feeding on the resultant deaths there, to replenish himself or restore his power.
Just wanted to make this clear.
Thanks. It's always a delight when you attempt to make things clearer for us. 👆
Originally posted by Nephthys
You've given me no reason to respond to your insane theories. They've been entirely debunked and you're just resorting to throwing a tantrum and complaining that things don't make sense. I hate to break it to you, by Space Magic isn't always internally consistent and logical.
You couldn't even properly debunk something that the game outright stated wasn't true, lol. As for the rest of it, it stands.
We're shown in Unseen, Unheard, you raving lunatic. We can plainly see it destroying the surface. TCSWE implies nothing of the sort as I proved, which you conveniently forgot to respond to. And even then, a poorly worded sentence isn't strong enough proof to contradict the blatant evidence against it.Drain has been proven to be capable of doing it. You lose.
No, it's not proven. Your one instance of "Drain doing it" is when the buildings fall apart before Drain even hits them (or the people).
Vitiate's attack isn't much different than Nihilus', and serves to prove that drain can destroy structures and devastate a planet. You're getting it confused, Vitiate's attack was clearly based around Nihilus', using the latter as inspiration for the latter and retroactively cementing it. Complain all you want, it proves 100% that Nihilus' attack could have destroyed Katarr.
Vitiate's attack is Sith Sorcery and a ritual, whereas Nihilus isn't as per KotORCG. Sith Sorcery is indeed capable of damaging buildings. Drain doesn't affect them by definition.
Obviously he senses it, he's trying to make sense of it or see if they're hiding somehow. I'm fairly sure the line you're referring to it the Exile going "you can already sense the Jedi aren't here you dunce" to Nihilus in his confrontation.
Which doesn't matter seeing as he has no disregard for life anyways, and Visas outright says that if there are no Jedi on the planet, he will Drain it anyway to sate himself to whatever extent he can because he didn't come all this way for nothing.
There's no need for him to detect the Jedi, because, again, he can feed on life indiscriminately.
No he wasn't and no I don't.
So are you just going to ignore the quote because you don't like it, or?
We aren't shown any preparation in any of the cases the attack is used. Any speculation about preparation is completely baseless and speculative. You'll need more than maybe's, I'm afraid.
Right. Other than the SWTOR codex explicitly stating that he had to prepare for the Drain on Telos. You're trying to either twist the quotes to your perspective or ignore them completely when they don't suit you.
No shit is he not going to devour the buildings. That isn't exclusionary to the other effects of the attack.
What other effects of the attack are you going to make up?
Who knows or cares. Completely random pick. You're suggesting that Visas someone survived the attack on her own merits? That's insane and completely fly's in the face of everything we know about the technique. Stop being so stupid.
It's only insane because you apply some ridiculous no-limits fallacy to it and expect everyone to die.
Are you forgetting that Traya survived Nihilus' Drain despite his intent to kill her? Yes, that totally flies in the face of everything we know about. It's not an instant kill, you donkey. 😬
Gosh I don't know, maybe the Sith that were there who were shown trying to feed on the dark energies that the Exile and her party actually stopped???? Naw, too much of a longshot. It must have been Nihilus trying to drain it from across the galaxy who the Exile stopped off-screen or something. Much more likely.
There two Sith Lords on Onderon and the most they did was Choke and Lightning Vaklu's runaway soldiers. Yes, I'm sure they were able to feed on the planet. Not that, you know, feeding on entire planets is something that Nihilus would do. But if average joe Sith are able to do it, then that only raises everybody else in K2.
The ones on Dxun were trying to resurrect Freedon Nadd per the Prima Guide. Nothing to do with using Onderon to feed on itself.
Whinge harder, it'll still be proof that Nihilus' attack could destroy the surface even if we couldn't plainly see it do so.
Whinge harder, Nihilus' attack still isn't proven to affect buildings. You're in denial.
It's been proven to be neither, so good job.
And not by you, so it's hilarious to see you run around as if you're dominating.
No it doesn't, that's just your piss-poor interpretation of the sentence structure. One of us has an English degree and it isn't you.I do when you're be so very, very stupid.
That's insane and completely fly's in the face of everything we know about the technique.
😂
You have no idea what anyone else's degree is, anyway.
"When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died." - Visas
''However, when Nihilus neared the planet, he spoke, his voice a great hunger that the Miraluka could see and feel through the Force. The Sith Lord's hunger overwhelmed them and obliterated the surface of Katarr, wiping out the entire colony and anything else touched by the Force. Nihilus destroyed much of what remained of the Jedi Order, including the Jedi Masters Zhar Lestin, Dorak and Vandar Tokare'' - Wookieepedia