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Darth Vader vs Anakin/Obi-Wan

Prime Vader replaces Dooku on the Invisible Hand.

Canon only.

Who wins?

McP Senior Member

Basing on pure hype and statements, Vader might beat them. Going by reality, and basing on overall statements and feats, they would nearly stomp him. Vader had never show a capability of removing Kenobi from fight due to TK (or at least people on Kenobi level or a bit below, like Ahsoka). He is not as fast and maneuverable as Dooku, so he wont be able to match them bofh in a duel, like Dooku could. They will charge at him, he will be quickly overhelmed and forced back, and after perhaps 15 seconds he will fall.
Also, it should be noted, that Vader is vulnerable to strong, kinetic attacks (by showings). Duelist inferior to Anakin technicaly, with possibly inferior raw power in the Force, was able to overhelm Vader in a bigger scale, then Anakin, when he was charging at Dooku.

The only thing that defends Vader here, is that he could do much worse against Luke due to his fealings for him. But his stamina wasn't impressive anyway in that fight.

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Vader dies even quicker than Dooku

Darth Thor Senior Member

I think Prime Anakin and Prime Vader are probably overall on par tbh.

McP Senior Member

A guy who nearly stomped Dooku, and stomped a Temple's battlemaster, while choking his padawan with his bare hand, isn't comperable to being unable to beat old Ben in a fair way, being unable to beat Ahsoka and got owned by Luke in a worse way, then Count Dooku was owned by Anakin isn't comperable at all.

Darth Thor Senior Member

Originally posted by McP
being unable to beat old Ben in a fair way,

Who said he was unable to beat him? Anakin actually did fail to beat Kenobi so...

Originally posted by McP
unable to beat Ahsoka

Now that's just a lie. He was clearly overpowering her the entire fight. And she's likely on par with Prime ROTS Kenobi.

Originally posted by McP
and got owned by Luke in a worse way, then Count Dooku was owned by Anakin

And? Was Luke not a powerful Jedi?

Also there's nothing Anakin or Dooku have done in Canon that compares to crushing an At-At.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Duo SLAUGHTERS.

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

Vader honestly. He ragdolls Kenobi and then deals with an inferior version of himself.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Vader honestly. He ragdolls Kenobi and then deals with an inferior version of himself.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

rofl

Darth Thor Senior Member

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
and then deals with an inferior version of himself.

I'd say just slightly inferior personally. Anakin was already a beast by ROTS.

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

Yep.

McP Senior Member

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Who said he was unable to beat him? Anakin actually did fail to beat Kenobi so...

Allright, if he could, then it would be mostly due to Kenobi's lack of stamina, not Vader's superior skill.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Now that's just a lie. He was clearly overpowering her the entire fight. And she's likely on par with Prime ROTS Kenobi.

It wasn't a lie. I ddin't say, that he was inferior warrior. He fought her, overhelmed her which enabled him to push her out of the ledge. She then rejoined the fight, he noted that in time, turned himself right to her, attacked her and missed, while she not. And he got hited by her saber. Then we only see a great explosion, something, that walks deeper in the ruins, and Vader that barely could walk.
It could be nothig, it could be Ahsoka's Force Ghost, Ahsoka herself or something else. Since I doubt, that Filoni would kill his favourite character, his daughter that way, I believe it was Ahoska. And in that way of thinking, it seems that she was in a better condition then Vader at the end.
So he was unable to beat her at the end.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And? Was Luke not a powerful Jedi?

Indeed he was. Until now at least. But if Filoni will gain an acces to use this character in the future... It wont be as obvious as it is now. Anyway, I alread noted, that he was. I just noted that Anakin was clearly stronger, and he couldn't stomp Dooku (considered by many, as Vader's inferior) as hard as Luke stomped Vader at the end of their fight.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Also there's nothing Anakin or Dooku have done in Canon that compares to crushing an At-At.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Anakin's feat with statue in the Temple from ROTS video game was also impressive as hell. Perhaps Dooku could do something similar, and perhaps not. Impossible to tell.
But anyway, there is nothing Vader have done in Canon, that would suggest that he would be able to stomp people of Kenobi's caliber with the Force as easily as Dooku could. With one exception, TFU. But basing of any source, without powerscaling, would force us to admit Mace's superiority over Sidious/Dooku/Vader in terms of TK.

ares834 Senior Member

Why are you using Legends feats when the OP clearly says "Canon only"?

McP Senior Member

Where?

Ursumeles Traitor

Re: Darth Vader vs Anakin/Obi-Wan

Originally posted by ILS
Canon only.

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Filthy legends heathen. Begone!

ares834 Senior Member

Anyway, I voted the duo. Though, if Vader fights smart and brings his superior force powers into play he should win.

McP Senior Member

Old CW allusion and TFU part where kind of an offtop. Where have I used Legends besides that? I some parts of ROTS vid-game are still canon, if not, then sorry.

Rebel95 Senior Member

If he's able to take out Obi Wan like Dooku did quickly, he wins, but I kinda doubt that would happen.