Inigo Montoya (PB), Achilles (Troy), Aragorn (LotR) and Viper (GoT) vs Cap

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Inigo Montoya (PB), Achilles (Troy), Aragorn (LotR) and Viper (GoT) vs Cap

Captain America vs 4 uber skilled fighters.

R1: Cap gets no shield. Cloth uniform.

R2: Cap gets Wooden Viking shield, cloth uniform

R3: Cap gets standarg gear. No guns.

Standard gear for team. Fight in front of the Troy gates. Team is 20m in front of Cap at the start.

Cap would likely clear but that first round is the only one I'm iffy on. Cap has the stats to pretty much one shot everyone but he's not stab proof so him without the shield is the only one I think he can lose.

Now if there was a round four where Cap has 6 fingers on his right hand, Montoya would curb him

Cap probably loses Round 1, maybe 2 if he can't adapt to the durability, balance, weight, etc. of the wooden Viking shield in time to defend and then dismantle the team.

Round 3 is a win.

Achilles is the biggest threat. Not only does he seem like the fastest and strongest of the 4, he's also the only one with a shield to block Cap's hits. Cap can probably one shot Viper or Inigo but I don't see him taking out all 4 before he gets skewered quite a few times. He loses round 1.

Round 2 is a toss up.

Cap wins round 3.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Achilles is the biggest threat. Not only does he seem like the fastest and strongest of the 4, he's also the only one with a shield to block Cap's hits. Cap can probably one shot Viper or Inigo but I don't see him taking out all 4 before he gets skewered quite a few times. He loses round 1.

Round 2 is a toss up.

Cap wins round 3.

Agreed here.

Cap clears but round 1 is a tough one for him

Cap would lose round 1 IMO. Aragorn's sword has an awful long reach (and he is no slouch in the strength/skill department either). And he also has someone like Achilles to deal with. The moment he tries to go after one of them, chances are the other one gives him a new air hole or two. And that's ignoring the other opponents also jumping into the fight.

Not sure about round 2. Don't know how well that viking shield would hold up against repeated impacts from the team's weapons.

He should take round 3 though. Having his own physics-defying shield, which he is very familiar with, gives him a big advantage, compared to the other rounds.

One possible tactic would be for Cap in R1 is to use his far superior mobilty to play keepaway to split the team.

That is, if the team falls for it.

I am not sure Aragorn and Achilles, in particular, would fall for that kind of tactic. They themselves are both extremely experienced at fighting groups of opponents at once.

Achilles might. The guy was brash and too much into personal glory. Even left his men to fight solo during the beach battle.

Yeah but Achilles himself is quite fast and mobile. Maybe not quite at Cap's level but having 3 other opponents to dodge should make it easy for Achilles to keep up with Cap.

Achilles' speed and brashness would actually work to Cap's advantage.

Being the fastest, he would no doubt get way ahead of the group to chase Cap down. Allowing Steve to engage him solo for a short time.

If I know my anime, I remember an episode in Rouruni Kenshin where he explained it was a common tactic for fast Samurais when engaging large groups to run ahead and allow himself to get chased to separate the faster from the slower of the group. Whoever catches up is then slashed. Run away. Rinse. Repeat.

A valid tactic but it would depend on how fast Steve could take down Achilles given the shield and reach advatage.

If he does take down Achilles in time, it'll net him a shield which might be enough to take down the rest of the group.

Now how often he resorts to this tactic (if at all) and how succesful it'll be might be an issue, admittedly. So not gonna argue this as a likely scenario.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Achilles' speed and brashness would actually work to Cap's advantage.

Being the fastest, he would no doubt get way ahead of the group to chase Cap down. Allowing Steve to engage him solo for a short time.

If I know my anime, I remember an episode in Rouruni Kenshin where he explained it was a common tactic for fast Samurais when engaging large groups to run ahead and allow himself to get chased to separate the faster from the slower of the group. Whoever catches up is then slashed. Run away. Rinse. Repeat.

A valid tactic but it would depend on how fast Steve could take down Achilles given the shield and reach advatage.

If he does take down Achilles in time, it'll net him a shield which might be enough to take down the rest of the group.

Now how often he resorts to this tactic (if at all) and how succesful it'll be might be an issue, admittedly. So not gonna argue this as a likely scenario.

To be honest, I don't really see an unarmed Cap easily taking a fully armed Achilles. If Cap tries to rush it then he'll get cut up. And the arena isn't so huge that it will take more than a just a second ot two for the others to join the fray.And unarmed Cap isn't taking out a fully armed Achilles in just a few seconds.

Originally posted by FrothByte
To be honest, I don't really see an unarmed Cap easily taking a fully armed Achilles. If Cap tries to rush it then he'll get cut up. And the arena isn't so huge that it will take more than a just a second ot two for the others to join the fray.And unarmed Cap isn't taking out a fully armed Achilles in just a few seconds.

That would indeed be the determining factor of the fight.

Depends on how far and how long Cap takes the run. If he decides to play keepaway for quite a bit of time, he might end up getting more than a few seconds. Not to mention gas out some of the less superhuman fighters (Don't remember Inigo or Oberyn being too good in their cardio. Aragorn is a cardio muthafukin beast tho.). In which case, if it takes too long, he can leave Achilles behind and play keepaway again, frustrating Achilles. Or he can break away from Achilles and take down some of the weaker fighters like Oberyn or Inigo.

The tactical advantage of mobility vs melee combatants cant really be ignored.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
That would indeed be the determining factor of the fight.

Depends on how far and how long Cap takes the run. If he decides to play keepaway for quite a bit of time, he might end up getting more than a few seconds. Not to mention gas out some of the less superhuman fighters (Don't remember Inigo or Oberyn being too good in their cardio. Aragorn is a cardio muthafukin beast tho.). In which case, if it takes too long, he can leave Achilles behind and play keepaway again, frustrating Achilles. Or he can break away from Achilles and take down some of the weaker fighters like Oberyn or Inigo.

The tactical advantage of mobility vs melee combatants cant really be ignored.

Hmm... I have to admit that might work. I guess I just can't see Cap pulling a Mayweather in a fight. Still, it's a viable option. Still not a guaranteed win, since he can't block or tank hits from the swords and will need to make sure he doesn't make any mistakes, but at least it will give him a chance.

We see Cap easily fending off Bucky's knife and T'Challa's claws. He knows how to not get hit with blades, and that's fighting people with similar enhanced powers.

Andúril is a lot longer than a combat knife or claws though.

Also, I would hardly say he was doing it "easily". He was definitely exerting himself against those two. Had to double-post, basically, because the edit function is being weird for me right now.

When I say "easily" I mean he does it with efficiency and doesn't get cut once. And this is against people who are similarly enhanced. Aragorn is not a slouch in combat, but he's not Winter Soldier, even with a longer weapon. The closest thing in the Fellowship to Cap and Friends is Hobbit era Legolas.

He wasn't fighting Black Panther and Winter Soldier at the same time, though. He is fighting 4 opponents at once here, all with weapons that have a greater reach than knives/claws (and they all definitely know how to use them properly). If he had to take them on one at a time, gauntlet style, then it'd be a different story, IMO.