Inigo Montoya (PB), Achilles (Troy), Aragorn (LotR) and Viper (GoT) vs Cap

Originally posted by KingD19
When I say "easily" I mean he does it with efficiency and doesn't get cut once. And this is against people who are similarly enhanced. Aragorn is not a slouch in combat, but he's not Winter Soldier, even with a longer weapon. The closest thing in the Fellowship to Cap and Friends is Hobbit era Legolas.

Not true, we do see Cap get cut with WS's knife, and when he fought BP he had his shield. Plus he fought them one on one. In round 1 he'll be without his shield, fighting 4 opponents at the same time, all using weapons far longer than a knife or claws. Plus strength doesn't matter as much with bladed weapons since you need very little strength to puncture and cut skin.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hmm... I have to admit that might work. I guess I just can't see Cap pulling a Mayweather in a fight. Still, it's a viable option. Still not a guaranteed win, since he can't block or tank hits from the swords and will need to make sure he doesn't make any mistakes, but at least it will give him a chance.

Playing a Mayweather would make sense, tho. He is fighting 4 armed opponents. Cap is not above using cover vs guns so I don't see him above using superior mobility when faced with multiple armed opponents. Splitting them up to take em on 1-on-1 makes enormous sense tactically (and may well be the only "smart" action he can take here).

To add, Cap did manage to fight Loki pretty effectively even tho Loki had superior reach with his staff. Cap got hit because Loki tanked his punches like nothing and Cap got hit on the counterattack.

I see Cap vs Aragorn going like this, with Cap evading the first swing and attacking inside Aragorn's range. This time, tho, Cap's punch would crack/break Aragorn's ribs.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
To add, Cap did manage to fight Loki pretty effectively even tho Loki had superior reach with his staff. Cap got hit because Loki tanked his punches like nothing and Cap got hit on the counterattack.

I see Cap vs Aragorn going like this, with Cap evading the first swing and attacking inside Aragorn's range. This time, tho, Cap's punch would crack/break Aragorn's ribs.

To be fair, Cap only lasted that long with Loki because he had his shield.

And Loki's plan was to get captured, to get on board the helicarrier.

Originally posted by FrothByte
To be fair, Cap only lasted that long with Loki because he had his shield.

Well, technically, he didn't last at all. 😛

He did throw his shield at Loki. Which Loki deflected. Cap then enganged him shieldless, evading 2 swings, attacked inside the range then got tagged (cuz Loki literally ignored Cap's punch). Loki then had him dead to rights had he not gone "kneel".

Edit. My point was that Cap does have the on-screen showings needed to prove that he has the combat acumen to evade longer reach melee weapons and to attack inside his opponent's range.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, technically, he didn't last at all. 😛

He did throw his shield at Loki. Which Loki deflected. Cap then enganged him shieldless, evading 2 swings, attacked inside the range then got tagged (cuz Loki literally ignored Cap's punch). Loki then had him dead to rights had he not gone "kneel".

Edit. My point was that Cap does have the on-screen showings needed to prove that he has the combat acumen to evade longer reach melee weapons and to attack inside his opponent's range.

Well Loki is definitely no slouch, but I wouldn't consider his weapon handling skills anywhere near as fast as Achilles or Inigo. So I don't believe him evading Loki's staff is proof that he can evade Inigo and especially Achilles.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well Loki is definitely no slouch, but I wouldn't consider his weapon handling skills anywhere near as fast as Achilles or Inigo. So I don't believe him evading Loki's staff is proof that he can evade Inigo and especially Achilles.

A staff is def slower than a rapier or a Xiphos.

Point was based on skillset and knowhow. Having the agility and speed are another thing.

While his Loki battle might not definitively prove him being able to dodge attacks from Achilles or Inigo (tho it makes a much better vs Oberyn and Aragorn). Even granted that Loki's nonchalant non-look arrow catch puts his personal agility quite up there. We can simoly dip into Cap's other agility showings to see if other "feats" would support the case of him being able to circumvent their weapons.

We basically have some data that he has the skills and sense to avoid swords and spears as well as being able to fight against such weapons effectively. The question then lies on if he has other showings that puts his agility firmly above theirs.

Gimme a bit to dip into my Cap agility showings to see if I can find something.

He def loses 1. Achilles with aragorn are bad enough. Two more playing distractions? All Achilles needs is one opening and he will definitely capitalize on it. Aragorn can get him that open.

The team stomps. :/ Inigo Montoya being the least skilled fighter here.

The Viper isn't the most skilled fighter in GoT.

However, Achilles and Aragorn are both Superhuman, and would destroy Cap on their own.