But he was all buddy buddy about it, grabbing Kuns hand in a manly hand shake and being like "yeah we're Sith now!" also judging by the DE end notes I got the impression that Kun and Ulic were originally meant to be one character but somewhere down the line they made Kun. Ofc "authors intent" doesn't matter much.
It's fairly hard to believe the amount of stupid going on in this thread.
Originally posted by AncientPower
If anything it provides a concrete confirmation of Kun and Qel-Droma relative to_their DE counter parts.
I'm very sorry, but it doesn't. Assuming this e-mail was really coming from Tom Veitch, he is just referring to the new Disney Canon. So that would put Kun on one level / maybe above ROTJ Sidious (not his DE incarnation) and Ulic above ROTJ Luke (not his EU/Legends self). Which isn't much of a suprise, since Veitch (and Anderson) specifically contacted Lucas in order to get a grasp on what Sith Lords and Jedi could possibly do in order to write their comics. So those characters were designed to be greater / more impressive than their movie counterparts.
Not that Veitch's opinion matters at all because, really, it doesn't.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
They're legit hilarious when Author Statements have more weight for them then Objective, Out-Of Universe sources lmfao.
Just as hilarious as people, who believe that any available source is "objective" or "out of universe". 🙄
Originally posted by Beniboybling
What makes this even more curious though is that it directly contradicts Veitch's own work (much like with that Force storms comment), which twice describes Palpatine as the most powerful dark side entity ever, even by RotJ.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Here's what the DE Endnotes said:Huh.
This is great. You do realize, that, when the DE endnotes were written, Kun didn't exist, yet. Neither did much of the EU/Legends universe that was developed later. So those notes can basically just compare Sidious to the other Dark Side users known until that point in time, which is just a handful (most of them seen in the DE comics), with Vader still being the most powerful among them.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Kun predated the Emperor by thousands of years.No, the conversation is whether Sheev is greater than Kun.
*facepalm*
Seriously, Tempest. Over the years, it should have sunk into your brain, that a source cannot take things into account, that do not exist (yet). The DE endnotes can't be used to put Sidious over Kun, because Kun wasn't even invented when they were written.
And in the context of this debate, it's especially stupid to try that stuff, provided that the DE endnotes are written by Veitch. So people here are literally trying to contradict Veitch's opinion from 2016 with Veitch's opinion from 1993, while failing to acknowledge the fact that the SW EU/Legends universe did develop quite a bit between those two statements.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Ulic still existed in the DE endnotes and he would have been considered envious of DE Palpatines power and Ulic knew of Kun who iirc didn't think much of his power.
Nope. You may want to check the publication history of the TOTJ comics. Veitch originally had Ulic in mind as some sort of new Vader: Somebody that would fall to the Dark Side, wage war and finally be redeemed. He would have been the real antagonist in the TOTJ era.
Then Anderson came along with Kun and put him above Ulic, essentially "stealing" Veitch's previously developed character. So Ulic in the DE endnotes didn't know Kun because Kun wasn't invented at that point in time. And the character is also not the same that we see in the comics later - at least in the "Dark Lords of the Sith" and "Sith War" comics.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nai if you can point to me where it was retconned I'm all ears, otherwise the endnotes remained in print (and where republished several times) into the production and after TotJ.
How can a single person be so dense?
The question is not about the quotes being contradicted / retconned. The question is what they could possible refer to, being written in 1993. Attempting to extend their meaning beyond that, is altering the original meaning of the quotes, which is just an obviously false interpretation, as they can't have the meaning you want them to have. I really don't get how people capable of reading can't have enough common sense to figure that out.
What you're attempting to do here, is essentially citing a 20 year old history book on how the world is, to make an argument, that the world can't have changed, because the history book describes it in another way. In fact, you're going even one step further:
Guess Kun literally couldn't have been made stronger than Palpatine then.
You go by the idea that the history book does influence the future by what is written in it. 🙄 Do you see how ridiculous that is?
And your "argument" that it is republished without changes is utterly stupid. Even the sources that have been completely retconned are still available in pretty new prints. As far as I remember, the latest edition of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" was printed in 2015 for example. So by your logic, that an entirely valid piece of "Legendary Canon", yes? 🙄
The first quote refers to practitioners of the dark side of the Force, the second quote refers to expressions of the dark side of the Force, and the final quote refers to wielders of the dark side of the Force. Kun is all three of these, and I'm sorry that upsets you. 😬
On the other hand no, the fact that Kun hadn't not been created at this time is irrelevant, because from an in-universe perspective he did exist, he simply hadn't been written about yet. So still looking for that retcon.