Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol and this Superman is the same Superman who took a super nova blast from starbreaker and was fine at the core of Almerac.Also is the same Superman who made a billion ton worm fly with a punch.
Clearly you think Superman is probably luke cage strong compared to the Hulk, but hey, it's you after all.
In that same arc? The Superman that fought Doomsday wasn't at that level and again, Hulk walked through a punch from Onslaught, the same Onslaught who treated Juggernaut like fodder (and pinched him breaking his chest open while at a weaker state).
No, he isn't Luke level...I consider him one of the most powerful Herald in comics but to the level of defeating this version of Hulk? Hell no.
Originally posted by Sin I AMThat certainly doesn't mean this Hulk is dropping this Superman with a single punch. That's all I'm saying.
Hulk was unfettered though. Even reed couldnt comprehend that kind of power. Clark would b hard pressed
I agree it'd be a good battle, though. 👆
Originally posted by carver9Superman only became bloodlusted/out for the kill in the final issue of that arc. So no, any of his poorer showings from earlier in the arc really don't matter much, given that he was in his 'normal' mindset in the issues prior.
We have to count everything in that arc, not just his fight against Doomsday.
As I'm sure you know, there is a HUGE difference between a bloodlusted and standard Supes. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
That certainly doesn't mean this Hulk is dropping this Superman with a single punch. That's all I'm saying.I agree it'd be a good battle, though. 👆
Superman only became bloodlusted/out for the kill in the final issue of that arc. So no, any of his poorer showings from earlier in the arc really don't matter much, given that he was in his 'normal' mindset at the time.
As I'm sure you know, there is a HUGE difference between a bloodlusted and standard Supes. 👆
Understood but powerful enough to stand there and trade blows with this version of Hulk. I highly doubt that. Especially if we consider just how powerful Onslaught was (everyone was pissing on themselves because of him even some of the main villains).
Originally posted by carver9Supes would be stupid if he just stood there and allowed Hulk to punch him, lol.
Understood but powerful enough to stand there and trade blows with this version of Hulk. I highly doubt that. Especially if we consider just how powerful Onslaught was (everyone was pissing on themselves because of him even some of the main villains).
That's where his speed and ranged attacks come into play. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
The gem has never been within Juggernaut... Before or after that feat occurred.I'll let you be the judge. 🙂
But it was there though, there is no taking that away. The story had the gem in him, Onslaught tore it out and even after Onslaught death, the gem being inside of Juggernaut still took play (Strange went inside the gem after that and saved Marko).
Originally posted by Galan007
Supes would be stupid if he just stood there and allowed Hulk to punch him, lol.That's where his speed and ranged attacks come into play. 🙂
True. Which is the reason I said he can not afford to get hit. Range attacks would probably piss hulk off making him more powerful.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol and this Superman is the same Superman who took a super nova blast from starbreaker and was fine at the core of Almerac.Also is the same Superman who made a billion ton worm fly with a punch.
Clearly you think Superman is probably luke cage strong compared to the Hulk, but hey, it's you after all.
👆 Carver needs to pick up a comic.
Originally posted by carver9
In that same arc? The Superman that fought Doomsday wasn't at that level and again, Hulk walked through a punch from Onslaught, the same Onslaught who treated Juggernaut like fodder (and pinched him breaking his chest open while at a weaker state).No, he isn't Luke level...I consider him one of the most powerful Herald in comics but to the level of defeating this version of Hulk? Hell no.
Same writer at least on the starbreakes counts and same version of super on the worm punch.
Superman who fought is at the same level as the one shown in the starbreaker/almerac saga. It is was published under the same writer who wrote DOS and only one or two issues before DOS. So yes the Superman was at that level.
And of course this Superman can defeat that Hulk, if defeated DOS DD of course it can defeat this Hulk.
Between this Hulk and DOS DD, I will give the edge to DOS DOomsday.
Not saying it will be easy but Superman has the edge in end, yes He will be hard pressed and this will be a good fight, but Superman will win more often than not, the same as DOS Doomsday will defeat this Hulk too.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Same writer at least on the starbreakes counts and same version of super on the worm punch.Superman who fought is at the same level as the one shown in the starbreaker/almerac saga. It is was published under the same writer who wrote DOS and only one or two issues before DOS. So yes the Superman was at that level.
And of course this Superman can defeat that Hulk, if defeated DOS DD of course it can defeat this Hulk.
Between this Hulk and DOS DD, I will give the edge to DOS DOomsday.
Not saying it will be easy but Superman has the edge in end, yes He will be hard pressed and this will be a good fight, but Superman will win more often than not, the same as DOS Doomsday will defeat this Hulk too.
Wait a minute. You think punching a worm is more impressive than the shockwaves from Hulk punches sending hero's flying and pushing back beings like Thor, Namor and Thing and also having Reed think that it was the end.
It was also mentioned that Hulk punch warped reality (which is the reason him and Banner separated).
Originally posted by carver9I'm not saying it didn't happen, carv. I'm saying that it totally conflicts with Cain's established history -- both before and after. That's all.
But it was there though, there is no taking that away. The story had the gem in him, Onslaught tore it out and even after Onslaught death, the gem being inside of Juggernaut still took play (Strange went inside the gem after that and saved Marko).
Anywho, if you look at the entire scene in context, there was a clear psychic element to Onslaught and Cain's 'battle' -- it wasn't purely physical:
*Also recall that Onslaught trapped Cain's essence/consciousness within the gem. Again, there was definitely a psychic element there... Which might help make a bit more sense of that scene.
For what it's worth, Onslaught did the same thing to Jean/Phoenix when he 'fought' her on the psychic/astral plane a few issues prior to the above:
Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. You think punching a worm is more impressive than the shockwaves from Hulk punches sending hero's flying and pushing back beings like Thor, Namor and Thing and also having Reed think that it was the end.It was also mentioned that Hulk punch warped reality (which is the reason him and Banner separated).
Oh poor carver, when did I said it was more impressive?
I said he had that feat and seeing how much you value your secret wars hulk feat i think is worth to mention that DOS Supes previous to his power ups was pretty much capable of doing those kind of things you find so amazing.
Also while what you mention is nice I think Doomsday steamrolling the JLA with one hand tied behind his back is a much better feat.
Unless you don't.
And Superman went toe to toe with this guy
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying it didn't happen, carv. I'm saying that it totally conflicts with Cain's entire history -- both before and after. That's all.Anywho, if you look at the entire scene in context, there was a clear psychic element to Onslaught and Cain's 'battle' -- it wasn't purely physical:
*Also recall that Onslaught trapped Cain's essence/consciousness within the gem. Again, there was definitely a psychic element there.He did the same thing to Jean/Phoenix when he 'fought' her on the 6psychic/astral plane a few issues prior to the above:
I think psychic had a lot to do with it as well...but, he did snatch the gem clean out of him though. That part did happen. He also one punched him before this. He treated Juggernaut like fodder, twice.
He did fight Jean. He didnt punch a hole in her though. I don't think Superman, DOS Doomsday, Thor, or anyone worth mentioning is punching a hole clean through Juggernaut with the tip of their fingers. No matter how much they play with Juggernauts mind.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Oh poor carver, when did I said it was more impressive?I said he had that feat and seeing how much you value your secret wars hulk feat i think is worth to mention that DOS Supes previous to his power ups was pretty much capable of doing those kind of things you find so amazing.
Also while what you mention is nice I think Doomsday steamrolling the JLA with one hand tied behind his back is a much better feat.
Unless you don't.
And Superman went toe to toe with this guy
Don't know why we are talking about secret wars Hulk. He get one punched killed by this version of Hulk as well.
Sigh...why are you bringing up Doomsday fighting a team? I never said him or Superman are weak. What I am saying though is that Superman would get killed by this version of Hulk. Also, are you implying Doomsday beating the JLA is better than pinching a hole in Juggernaut?
