Did Barriss Offee die in Canon?
Just rewatching some Clone Wars episodes and was watching the one where she was arrested and realized that was the last time I ever recall her appearing in canon material. She couldn't have died in Order 66 because she wasn't an active Jedi anymore. Unless the Clones just murdered her in her cell.
So did she die somewhere or did she end up working with the Empire?
The entire reason Barriss betrayed the shit out of the Jedi was because she thought the Jedi were becoming oppressive tools, and because she was dissatisfied with the direction the Republic was headed in.
Her being the assassins/agents of an authoritarian empire is completely out of character for her. It would make more sense for her to become some anti-imperial terrorist who takes shit too far.
What's ****ing stupid is that they didn't execute Barriss. Now I'm not endorsing the death penalty, but they were up in arms and ready to execute Ahsoka when her involvement in the Temple bombing was ambiguous, but when they definitively find out Barriss not only did that but framed an innocent person and almost got them murdered for it, that's when everyone suddenly regains their humanity and decides "teh death penalty is wrong!"
Originally posted by EmperordmbI think the Emperor got to her that's why she wasn't to be executed.
The entire reason Barriss betrayed the shit out of the Jedi was because she thought the Jedi were becoming oppressive tools, and because she was dissatisfied with the direction the Republic was headed in.Her being the assassins/agents of an authoritarian empire is completely out of character for her. It would make more sense for her to become some anti-imperial terrorist who takes shit too far.
What's ****ing stupid is that they didn't execute Barriss. Now I'm not endorsing the death penalty, but they were up in arms and ready to execute Ahsoka when her involvement in the Temple bombing was ambiguous, but when they definitively find out Barriss not only did that but framed an innocent person and almost got them murdered for it, that's when everyone suddenly regains their humanity and decides "teh death penalty is wrong!"
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I think the Emperor got to her that's why she wasn't to be executed.
What would Palpatine want with her? Her values were directly in opposition to his own, she was speaking out against what the republic was becoming, and as shown with Ahsoka the people were out for blood.
The smart thing to do for Sheev as a politician would be to give the people what they want, and remove someone speaking out against what the republic is becoming.
Originally posted by EmperordmbWell he persuaded Dooku to join him so I think he could have did the same with Barriss, perhaps becoming a Inquisitor.
No I believe it's mentioned somewhere in Dark Disciple that she wasn't executed because "that would be cruel" or some shit.What would Palpatine want with her? Her values were directly in opposition to his own, she was speaking out against what the republic was becoming, and as shown with Ahsoka the people were out for blood.
The smart thing to do for Sheev as a politician would be to give the people what they want, and remove someone speaking out against what the republic is becoming.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Well he persuaded Dooku to join him so I think he could have did the same with Barriss, perhaps becoming a Inquisitor.
Barriss on the other hand is a Jedi Padawan who became a huge terrorist in the public spotlight, so I really doubt Sheev is going to the trouble of doing some big cover up thing to facilitate her agency as some lowly inquisitor.
Plus the main reason Sidious was able to manipulate Dooku's idealism the way he did was because Dooku was always narcissistic even as a Jedi.
Originally posted by EmperordmbIt says nothing of the sort. Just that they were seriously considering Vos's execution post Barriss.
No I believe it's mentioned somewhere in Dark Disciple that she wasn't executed because "that would be cruel" or some shit.What would Palpatine want with her? Her values were directly in opposition to his own, she was speaking out against what the republic was becoming, and as shown with Ahsoka the people were out for blood.
The smart thing to do for Sheev as a politician would be to give the people what they want, and remove someone speaking out against what the republic is becoming.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Well he persuaded Dooku to join him so I think he could have did the same with Barriss, perhaps becoming a Inquisitor.
Barriss should've joined Dooku. Or Tano when she left should've.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Psychological torture? Mind Control? Breaking her very spirit and Force her to submit to his will?CareBar's story would make for an excellent novel. Twisted and dark. Something like Shatterpoint.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Maybe he gave her the option to join him or die.
Dooku being manipulated by Sidious made sense. He viewed the Jedi as incompetent and inactive sycophants, and in his narcissism, he thought "what if the Galaxy was ruled by people who know what the **** they're doing... people like me" so Sidious manipulated him into helping topple the Republic to establish some authoritarian empire that Dooku could rule alongside him to lord his self-proclaimed wisdom over the dumbasses of the Galaxy. Dooku was at first a promising Jedi, then he did what he did at first out of a genuine intention to do good but he ****ed himself over by having to make it all about himself, became a Sith, and ultimately got betrayed by the person who turned him to the Dark Side.
^That makes sense. That is a compelling story.^
Barriss is different. She doesn't see the Jedi's incompetence/inaction as the issue, she has a problem with the activism they're taking, them inflicting their will through violence and warfare, and she clearly hates what Palpatine is manipulating the Republic into. She takes issue with the Jedi and wants people to recognize them as bad, so with that point of view she's going to view the Empire and the Inquisitors as even worse. Unlike Dooku she's not going to view the Sith/Empire as the firm strong hand that the Jedi/Republic were too weak to be, she's gonna view them as even bigger examples of what she hated in the Jedi/Republic. And being an inquisitor is a far cry from being Sidious's #2, so even if Barriss were a Dooku class narcissist, the position of an inquisitor isn't going to placate her into complacency with the self-fellating thought that she actually has any real political pull in the Galaxy.
I say have her continue on her path and have her become a terrorist against the Galactic empire who takes shit to a ridiculously immoral level. Because "Promising kind padawan turning to the dark side and becoming a terrorist fighting against an oppressive establishment in a way becomes the thing she hates; a force harming others through an infliction of her will on the larger galaxy, but she can delude herself into justifying her actions by pointing to the greater evil of the Empire and saying she has no desire to oppress the Galaxy, only to rid it of it's oppressors." is actually a compelling character arc.
"Padawan turns anti-oppressive establishment then gets forced into a sudden 180 and goes completely against her previously established views while becoming a lowly imperial lapdog (a position which does nothing to satisfy the reasons she turned to the Dark Side to begin with)" is not compelling at all and completely trashes her character arc. At best you could, as Xtasy suggests, turn it into another example of what a twisted sadistic **** Sidious is... because we don't already have an orgy of examples and evidence already concretely establishing Sidious as such.
Yes. Tbh What i wanna see is Sidious psychologically break a Jedi. Have them tortured, brutally i might add. Literally have them break the Jedi dogma in order to survive. Show them the "true" reality of the galaxy and slowly have them actually choose to serve him.
Because Sidious is, in a way, keeping the Galaxy stable. He rules with an iron fist of oppression and Order. It would make for a compelling novel. To see Sheev actually convince a Jedi, the paragons of virtue, that he is a necessary evil, and that only through him can the galaxy ever be at peace, that the Rebels are the true villains. In all of this Bariss would choose to serve him, choose to kill for him. Thinking it's of her volition, but when in fact it is Sheev subtle coercion, indoctrination and Force Manipulation that has finally shattered her to such an extreme point, that she will never be put back together.
That would be an interesting read, and a much needed look into Sheev's manipulations and creation of the Inquisitors.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Yes. Tbh What i wanna see is Sidious psychologically break a Jedi. Have them tortured, brutally i might add. Literally have them break the Jedi dogma in order to survive. Show them the "true" reality of the galaxy and slowly have them actually choose to serve him.Because Sidious is, in a way, keeping the Galaxy stable. He rules with an iron fist of oppression and Order. It would make for a compelling novel. To see Sheev actually convince a Jedi, the paragons of virtue, that he is a necessary evil, and that only through him can the galaxy ever be at peace, that the Rebels are the true villains. In all of this Bariss would choose to serve him, choose to kill for him. Thinking it's of her volition, but when in fact it is Sheev subtle coercion, indoctrination and Force Manipulation that has finally shattered her to such an extreme point, that she will never be put back together.
That would be an interesting read, and a much needed look into Sheev's manipulations and creation of the Inquisitors.
Don't sacrifice an already established an interesting character arc that has much more interesting potential storylines and developments that can be built off of it, don't sacrifice who Barriss is as a character just to add to the orgy of evidence and incidents of how twisted, sadistic, and manipulative Sidious is, because that's already firmly established.
He's already manipulated Maul, Dooku, and Anakin in ways that actually fit with their characters, and we've already seen that he's an expert manipulator who ****s people over for his own ends. We don't need to ruin a perfectly good character arc that's already set up just to cement a fact about Sidious that has already been firmly cemented and fleshed out. If you think that should be done, then it should be done with a character whose story arc actually fits that story, like say a character that hasn't already lost faith in the Jedi for completely different reasons than the ones Sidious wants them to have.
Barriss's perspective is rather intriguing and puts her in a unique position as a character if they develop on it. So they should have her run with it and be an active participant in the events of Rebels with her own agenda rather than degrading her character to a mindless lapdog.
Really? Extremist that thinks they're fighting the good fight. How absolutely compelling! Yeah, no, I don't want a Jedi Version of R1's Saw Guerrera😬
Bariss is in a unique position here. She can either be made a bland character. Or they can genuinely build her up to be one of the biggest tragedies of the mythos. Hell It would be interesting to see her get in Sheev's good graces in order to assassinate him, only to be corrupted and broken by him in the long run.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Really? Extremist that thinks they're fighting the good fight. How absolutely compelling. Yeah, no, I don't want a Jedi Version of R1's Saw Guerrera😬
Instead you want another imperial lapdog?
At least have Barriss do something with the perspective she developed in the Clone Wars instead of having her do a completely out of character complete 180 on her views that sacrifices her story arc just to fellate Sheev's skill as a manipulator.
The story arc you described is MUCH better suited for a Jedi who hasn't already lost faith in the Jedi Order anyways. I'd say have him do some ****ed up shit like torture and manipulate the younglings from the lightsaber making arc of Season 5 if you wanna go that route.
Imperial Lapdog? Goodness, dmb, has the constant reading of the DBT destroyed your tastes in books? Or is this also an after effect of the LSD?
Not an Imperial lapdog, a vengeful, blinded by rage and talented misguided youth gives herself to temptation in order to kill the man she THINKS forced her hand to press those detonation buttons. But slowly, carefully and surely she realizes that he did what she was trying to do. He wiped away the "corruption", he "stabilized" several planets, and "subdued" Rebellions. By attacking the temple that day she left the Jedi, but in her madness, she tries to redeem herself, justify herself and her actions by killing Sheev. She thinks it's the Sith Lord that forced her to commit such a atrocities, but in the end she realizes that she allowed herself to be consumed by the Dark Side first, and the Sith Lord, is only doing to her what she allows him to do, and that is teach her, guide her and destroy the last vestiges of doubts that plagued her. She chose to attack the Temple, she choss to turn on Ahsoka, she chose to come to Sheev and she is choosing to allow him to break her.
What we have is an opportunity to see a character with redeeming qualities and intentions turn bad, not because of any outside intrusion, not because of a Sith artifact or Spirit, but because they chose to go down the Path of the Dark Side and they are allowing themselves to be taken further down this path.
Further more it would be an excellent way to introduce the title of Emperor's Hand in Canon. And we could see Bariss become the main villain instead of Maul in later seasons.