I'm curious as to what happened to her in canon. Did she continue her training/grow in skill like Ahsoka did, or is she off hiding on a backwater planet, or did Vader or the Inquisitors kill her.
Hard to say, same with Eeth Koth and Quinlan Vos both Jedi who may have survived Order 66/Vader's war on the Jedi
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Imperial Lapdog? Goodness, dmb, has the constant reading of the DBT destroyed your tastes in books? Or is this also an after effect of the LSD?
You clearly have no idea how LSD works if seriously suggesting that seems viable to you.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Not an Imperial lapdog, a vengeful, blinded by rage and talented misguided youth gives herself to temptation in order to kill the man she THINKS forced her hand to press those detonation buttons. But slowly, carefully and surely she realizes that he did what she was trying to do. He wiped away the "corruption", he "stabilized" several planets, and "subdued" Rebellions. By attacking the temple that day she left the Jedi, but in her madness, she tries to redeem herself, justify herself and her actions by killing Sheev. She thinks it's the Sith Lord that forced her to commit such a atrocities, but in the end she realizes that she allowed herself to be consumed by the Dark Side first, and the Sith Lord, is only doing to her what she allows him to do, and that is teach her, guide her and destroy the last vestiges of doubts that plagued her. She chose to attack the Temple, she choss to turn on Ahsoka, she chose to come to Sheev and she is choosing to allow him to break her.What we have is an opportunity to see a character with redeeming qualities and intentions turn bad, not because of any outside intrusion, not because of a Sith artifact or Spirit, but because they chose to go down the Path of the Dark Side and they are allowing themselves to be taken further down this path.
Getting Sidious involved in her story as some manipulative force and having her try and blame him for her actions makes no sense when she fell on her own, chose on her own, was clearly cognizant of what she was doing, and was completely satisfied with the decisions she made of her own volition. And she clearly isn't insane or unstable.
Having her go back on that conviction and try and pass the blame to someone else completely undermines her character just for the sake of forcing a certain type of villain role in Rebels and painting the big bad in a more threatening evil light.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Further more it would be an excellent way to introduce the title of Emperor's Hand in Canon. And we could see Bariss become the main villain instead of Maul in later seasons.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
It's not like I could possibly just legitimately find something really interesting in the themes philosophies, and motivations of the characters of the DBT, no, I must be some shallow vapid idiot accepting shit on a platter because I'm as ILS says "confused" or don't know any better or some shit.
Never said you were an idiot. I thought I made it clear how I felt in the PMs? I merely insinuated that the DBT is badly written. Which it is.
You clearly have no idea how LSD works if seriously suggesting that seems viable to you.
Good thing I'm not seriously suggesting that and that I'm merely poking fun. Lighten up, mole.
Here's the thing though, we already have the story and drive for a character with redeeming qualities going down the path of the Dark Side by their own choice. And Barriss knows she freely chose to attack the Temple though and she never tried to pass that shit off on anyone else, she owned up to her choices, opinions and reasons for committing that act of terrorism in her final speech in Season 5.Getting Sidious involved in her story as some manipulative force and having her try and blame him for her actions makes no sense when she fell on her own, chose on her own, was clearly cognizant of what she was doing, and was completely satisfied with the decisions she made of her own volition. And she clearly isn't insane or unstable.
See thats all well and good. But you're ignoring the fact that she showed no remorse, no sign of regret or sadness at the lives lost because of her actions. Nor does she display any sort of emotion in attempting to kill her friend and someone like Anakin. She isn't a anti hero who did it for the greater good and regrets having to go so far. She accepts it without justifications. That in of itself speaks of the Dark Side, and lays a good foundation for a bigger story.
Having her go back on that conviction and try and pass the blame to someone else completely undermines her character just for the sake of forcing a certain type of villain role in Rebels and painting the big bad in a more threatening evil light.
But shes not going back on her convictions. She's attempting to get vengeance on the man that wiped out the Order. What would merely happen is that once she finds herself in doubt about her true intentions she realizes that her fall wasn't orchestrated by Sheev from the beginning, but by her. And because of her choices she is now in the belly of the beast, serving a Sith under the guise of assassinating him. She realizes that Sheev isn't forcing her to do anything, and that everything that was laid before her were things that she could have resisted or rejected, but she chose to do them under the pretense of maintaining her cover, even though they were unnecessary. In the End she wanted to be Broken and Sheev was all the more willing to oblige.
It would be awkwardly forcing Barriss's character arc in a certain direction and undermining her fall to the Dark Side in TCW to suit that role, though tbf I can't deny Season 5 has shown she has the perfect skillset for such a role (stealth, infiltration, masquerading as someone else, framing people, ranged telekinetic assassination, etc.)
Exactly.
Although this could also fit Quinlan. mmm
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
See thats all well and good. But you're ignoring the fact that she showed no remorse, no sign of regret or sadness at the lives lost because of her actions. Nor does she display any sort of emotion in attempting to kill her friend and someone like Anakin. She isn't a anti hero who did it for the greater good and regrets having to go so far. She accepts it without justifications. That in of itself speaks of the Dark Side, and lays a good foundation for a bigger story.
She doesn't show any remorse and accepts her actions yeah... which is why it makes no sense for her to feel guilty for her actions and try delude herself into thinking Sheev manipulated her into doing it.
And she accepts her actions not without justification for her actions, but because she believes her motives justify her actions.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
But shes not going back on her convictions. She's attempting to get vengeance on the man that wiped out the Order. What would merely happen is that once she finds herself in doubt about her true intentions she realizes that her fall wasn't orchestrated by Sheev from the beginning, but by her. And because of [b]her choices she is now in the belly of the beast, serving a Sith under the guise of assassinating him. She realizes that Sheev isn't forcing her to do anything, and that everything that was laid before her were things that she could have resisted or rejected, but she chose to do them under the pretense of maintaining her cover, even though they were unnecessary. In the End she wanted to be Broken and Sheev was all the more willing to oblige.[/B]
And she already knows her decisions and fall were orchestrated by her, she doesn't need to delude herself for some out of character reason only to come to that realization in a plot twist because she's already self-aware enough to recognize her responsibility for her own choices.
And you're talking to me about having a shitty taste in SW fiction when you're suggesting rehashing plot lines from the Revan Novel (character who originally fell of their own accord has the story of their fall changed to include the influence of some bigger bad guy and get them to serve the bad guy instead of their own ends just to hype said bad guy up) and Dark Disciple (character infiltrates group to assassinate leader, only to become corrupted by their teachings), two of the shittiest books in SW fiction.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Exactly.Although this could also fit Quinlan. mmm
Shit, with Quinlan, I want him to try for some redemption and fight the empire and lose to Vader in a lightsaber duel and die so DarthAnt66 and Antoine can stop bitching about what a supposedly shit duelist Vader is.
You could argue that would be butchering Canon Quinlan just to hype up Vader, but trying for such a redemption actually fits in his story arc... and Dark Disciple really didn't leave much left to butcher after it was finished with Quinlan.
I gtg to bed. But btdubs. I never even read Revan or DD lulz. I was thinking more along the lines of Depa's fall into insanity or Ferus' very brief brush with the Dark Side.
Obviously the person I have in mind for writing a novel for Bariss is Stover. Not Karpshyn or Golden
Also none of those compare to Waru's novel or the Kevin Anderson novel where Kyp and Han go space skiing.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
I gtg to bed. But btdubs. I never even read Revan or DD lulz. I was thinking more along the lines of Depa's fall into insanity or Ferus' very brief brush with the Dark Side.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Obviously the person I have in mind for writing a novel for Bariss is Stover. Not Karpshyn or GoldenAlso none of those compare to Waru's novel or the Kevin Anderson novel where Kyp and Han go space skiing.
Originally posted by Fated XtasySpot on.See thats all well and good. But you're ignoring the fact that she showed no remorse, no sign of regret or sadness at the lives lost because of her actions. Nor does she display any sort of emotion in attempting to kill her friend and someone like Anakin. She isn't a anti hero who did it for the greater good and regrets having to go so far. She accepts it without justifications. That in of itself speaks of the Dark Side, and lays a good foundation for a bigger story.