Originally posted by SunRazer
@ILS - I think Wollf meant Dooku knocking out Obi-Wan by throwing him with TK. Maul tried the same and didn't incapacitate Obi-Wan.
Dooku never knocked Obi-Wan out with a Force Push, incapacitated him for like 8 seconds in the movie (which should be equal to the novelization's version because the same events transpire) while Maul's Push on Florrum took Obi-Wan out for a good 15 seconds and this version of Obi-Wan had so much extra focus it enabled him to go from being outmached to actually contending with the brothers (if it amplified his Force Augmentation it would probably enhance his defenses as well), not to mention that Maul also collapsed the cave as a mere side-effect of his Push.
I'll respond to the whole post but holy shit, if you really want to simplify things to this level, then Ventress' kick did more damage to Obi-Wan than either Dooku or Maul's TK, and that was while he had backup from Anakin.
It's almost like using isolated instances, taking place in ever-changing environments and situations, isn't rigorous enough research to do anything useful with! Huh!
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Dooku never knocked Obi-Wan out with a Force Push, incapacitated him for like 8 seconds in the movie (which should be equal to the novelization's version because the same events transpire) while Maul's Push on Florrum took Obi-Wan out for a good 15 seconds and this version of Obi-Wan had so much extra focus it enabled him to go from being outmached to actually contending with the brothers (if it amplified his Force Augmentation it would probably enhance his defenses as well), not to mention that Maul also collapsed the cave as a mere side-effect of his Push.
He knocks Obi-Wan out by hurling him into the wall. I'm pretty sure one of the website quotes indicate that Obi-Wan was knocked out upon hitting the wall, not when the walkway collapsed on him (although in that case I have no idea why Dooku collapsed the walkway to begin with).
Originally posted by MythLordhttps://youtu.be/tpLiiD1Gsjk?t=2m30s
Wait, when did Ventress KO Obi with a kick? mmm
To put this in perspective; that one kick from Ventress left Obi-Wan unable to fight for an excess of like 15 seconds. Many of Maul's kicks with his robotic legs, which are capable of pinning Savage Opress to the ground, left Obi-Wan no worse for wear.
Clearly Ventress didn't skip leg day, to have such a higher damage output than everyone else in TCW whether it be TK or physical strength.
Originally posted by SunRazer
He knocks Obi-Wan out by hurling him into the wall. I'm pretty sure one of the website quotes indicate that Obi-Wan was knocked out upon hitting the wall, not when the walkway collapsed on him (although in that case I have no idea why Dooku collapsed the walkway to begin with).
Yeah after first choking him out, Maul was purposely holding back while choking Obi-Wan and the latter still ended up on the ground injured so let Maul throw him in that state against a wall and I doubt there would be much difference between both performances.
Originally posted by MythLord
Given the ease with which Dooku does it, and the fact that Maul was rage-amped at the time, Tyranus' performance seems superior, yeah.The side-effects are irrelevant as we're focusing on their target, not their environment.
Ease? There's even a fact file quote which claimed it required all Tyranus's strength to take out Obi-Wan so I doubt it was with ease. On the other hand, like I said to Nova, Obi was first choked out by Dooku so it obviously going to make it easier to knock him out when throwing him against a wall. Even when Maul was holding back when choking him in Sith Hunters Obi-Wan still ended up injured and incapacitated so let alone when Maul would actually give his all and slam him against a wall (we've seen how his Force Push was strong enough to incapacitate a noticeably superior Obi-Wan on Florrum for a good 15 seconds).
The effects it had on the environment are a factor since they show to range behind the attack and since that his power output wasn't solely focused on Obi-Wan (contrary to Dooku) it's even more impressive what he did against Kenobi.
Originally posted by MythLord
No, much like how spamming utter nonsense and fanfiction about Exar Kun only training for 4 years because he was "angry" doesn't count. 👆