Would Obama have beaten Trump?

Started by Surtur3 pages

Originally posted by Stop the hate
Taken from another forum but Salient:

David Shedd, former chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told the Daily Beast.

World powers spy on each other; it’s what they do. The U.S. engages in this sort of unsavory stuff all the time, so there’s no moral higher ground to stand on while finger-wagging at Russia. Clinton’s emails may well contain damning information of the sort that often comes to light when we get a look at how the political sausage is made. All that said, the departure from the everyday to be witnessed here is that Russia is the prime suspect in a cybercrime undertaken to manipulate an American presidential election on behalf of a dangerous, anti-democracy demagogue.

That same demagogue, the Republican Party’s candidate of choice, has now publicly requested that our geopolitical frenemy muck with the U.S. democratic process so he can gather the spoils. On paper, the DNC hack seems like a poorly conceived remake of a 1980s Cold War film, the details tweaked for digital age relevance, with Kremlin-backed hackers, a Watergate-style cyberattack and theft of embarrassing secrets from a major U.S. political party. Were it unfolding on a multiplex screen, the story would undoubtedly seem hokey and even hamfisted. The real-life situation playing out on a global stage is far more risky for much of the world.

I just love this, it's okay when WE do it because hey..all countries do. But Russia totally departed from that, and that is bad.

Christ almighty. Is the reason you are constantly pasting stuff from other forums..that when dumb bullshit is spewed you can say "well hey, those aren't MY words" ? But no, that doesn't absolve you of the stupidity of the statements you post.

The reality is it's not like our intelligence agencies haven't done stuff like this, and the fact anyone would try to just wave this off as part of the regular stuff nations do while at the same time still whining about Russia doing it..is fascinating.

Truly the USA can do no wrong and Russia can do nothing right. Man in hindsight this is just what Nixon said(it's not illegal when a president does) just on a larger scale, because we've adopted a similar attitude in this country: it's not a negative thing when it's the USA that does it.

Also has everyone forgotten one of the wikileaks contained a lament over not interfering in an election to make sure the person they wanted to win..would win? Oh sorry I forgot, we're ignoring what is contained in the emails to whine about Russia. Carry on my wayward (red) son.

I think he would have.

What are the things that cost Hillary the election?

One is a lack of charisma and likeability. Obama's always come off as likeable and he's undeniably charismatic.

Another is the idea of Clinton being a criminal/corrupt, and all the emails. This likely wouldn't have happened with Obama, and if it did he would have handled it much better than Clinton did. He's incredibly good at deflecting things, which I guess goes back to his innate charisma.

And the other big one is the angry Bernie supporters who stayed home. This also wouldn't have been a problem because Bernie never would have run if Obama had been allowed to run for a third term, so those people who were angry at Hillary and decided to sit out or protest vote probably would have voted for Obama since they would have no reason to be angry in the first place.

The other things in Obama's favor would have been a very high approval rating, higher than both Trump and Clinton while they were running. Even now while Trump is enjoying his post election win approval rating bump, Obama's is still higher.

Also the black vote probably would have come out for Obama much moreso than they did for Clinton.

So yeah I think Obama probably would have won by a pretty significant margin.

Originally posted by BackFire
Also the black vote probably would have come out for Obama much moreso than they did for Clinton.

Really, what would make you say this? Surely just the policies of Obama and stuff, correct? They'd resonate more with blacks.

Or did you mean they'd come out more for Obama merely due to his skin color? In other words: racism would play a role.

TIL: Black people voting for Obama is due to racist black people

Oh Surtur, you never fail to be you.

The truth isn't racist.

Only an ideologue could possibly think that.

Originally posted by Robtard
TIL: Black people voting for Obama is due to racist black people

I merely inquired as to why he thought blacks would come out much more for Obama than Hilary. I did give the possibility it was just over their love of Obama's policies as opposed to Clintons, but that doesn't support your narrative so shh best not mention it.

Oh Surtur, you never fail to be you.

Why would I? You certainly never fail to be you. I feel it's only fair I return the favor.

Originally posted by Robtard
TIL: Black people voting for Obama is due to racist black people

Oh Surtur, you never fail to be you.

That's ****ing funny! Aren't you the same tards that claims whites are racist for voting for Trump?

Originally posted by Surtur
Really, what would make you say this? Surely just the policies of Obama and stuff, correct? They'd resonate more with blacks.

Or did you mean they'd come out more for Obama merely due to his skin color? In other words: racism would play a role.

What would make me say that is simple numbers and history.

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Exit polls show that Clinton had lower support among black voters than Obama did in 2012.

Of course, these polls also show her with lower support among other groups as well.

Whether they would vote for him based purely on his skin color or policies is not something I can really say, but the reality remains that he did a better job appealing to them than she did.

Originally posted by BackFire
What would make me say that is simple numbers and history.

https://www.empornium.me/users/recover?token=6f96fa0470cf558c586f2d3bbad0cf6023791f8e49f6abf1

Exit polls show that Clinton had lower support among black voters than Obama did in 2012.

Of course, these polls also show her with lower support among other groups as well.

Whether they would vote for him based purely on his skin color or policies is not something I can really say, but the reality remains that he did a better job appealing to them than she did.

I'm asking you what you feel explains the numbers. What would make blacks come out more?

If Obama had the same policies he has always had, but was white..would you have still said the blacks would come out more?

Lol, where were you in 2008? I was in Iraq and even I saw the zealotry from alot of black actors, news people, talking heads, sports people, musicians that all said, and I'm paraphrasing, "he's black, thus he knows our struggle and will help us."

Now whether that's racism or not, honestly I don't care but it is the reality. Black people in mass voted for Obama because of the color of his skin.

Of course people voted for Obama because he was black. Did everyone who voted for him do so because he was black? Of course not, but it certainly played a part.

Re: Would Obama have beaten Trump?

Would Obama have beaten Trump?
Hell, ya! 😉

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm asking you what you feel explains the numbers. What would make blacks come out more?

If Obama had the same policies he has always had, but was white..would you have still said the blacks would come out more?

I think it's probably a combination of things. Him being black would be among them. He's also very good at targeting specific groups and altering his campaigning to attract them. He's one of the most gifted political campaigners around and even if you changed his skin color but changed nothing else, he'd probably still be able to appeal to many groups - black people included - very effectively.

Originally posted by BackFire
if you changed his skin color but changed nothing else, he'd probably still be able to appeal to many groups - black people included - very effectively.

I'd still vote for that guy

OAN was talking about a poll that was done on this and Trump was ahead of Obama, but I didn't catch who did it. So take that for whatever you will.

HAHA who voted yes?

Originally posted by Robtard

I'd still vote for that guy

Edward Norton?

Originally posted by Robtard

I'd still vote for that guy

Sure you would, champ, sure you would 👆

Originally posted by Sacred Fire
Edward Norton?

Looks more like a grown up Justin Bieber.

Nearly anybody who would replace Clinton or Trump in their respective parties would have won lol

Like Bernie?