Trump Gets briefed re: Hacking tomorrow, will he become more patriotic afterwards?

Originally posted by Stop the hate
I don't disagree with some of that, the point I think you're missing is the democracy of the land of the free has been manipulated by an outside agency to place its favoured candidate in power. Whether someone Trumper or not, they can't see that as a good thing. Sanctions must be taken.

I am not a lover of Security forces either, however, if they become weakened a nation's national and international interests and internal security becomes compromised.

Surely Trump understands this if he has America's interests at heart.

Russia is a huge bully and they have done these same types of things in several other elections in outher countries.

You can't play nice with a bully, throw sanctions on them. Send them Trump in a box with a thank you note and make them listen to his tweets as true torture.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Russia is a huge bully and they have done these same types of things in several other elections in outher countries.

You can't play nice with a bully, throw sanctions on them. Send them Trump in a box with a thank you note and make them listen to his tweets as true torture.

Haha, Satire I can get behind and yeah, they have been interfering all to much with other sovereign nations lately, one could almost believe they have a master plan...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Seriously though no, they are not sacrosanct, but they are not a third party that can be listened to or ignored at your whim either. They are not pollsters, they are vital to your country's national security, which I assume is something you care about. If you can't trust your own intelligence agencies, you have a serious problem, especially when you are at war with terrorist groups like ISIS, because then who can you trust? BreitBart News?

They aren't people who don't have to provide evidence though. Which Trump apparently wasn't going to be seeing until today. So complaining about not buying into what they say before that happens makes no sense.

The correct course of action is to fix the problem, if there indeed is one, not throw a fit on Twitter, and undermine their credibility as you wait for them "win back the public trust", while potential threats to state security go ignored.

They need to be called out if they want to behave as if they are some sort of sacred cow. You don't win back their trust by blindly trusting everything they say.

Indeed how would you feel if say tomorrow this same attitude was taken towards a potential terrorist plot against your country? Would the same blase faire attitude be permitted? The reason people find this unpatriotic is because you create a boy cried wolf scenario in which real threats to national security may go unresponded to, with potentially damaging results. So yeah, its completely out of order, and just another thing to the add to the ever growing list of why Trump isn't fit to be POTUS.

Yeah no, it's not out of order to publicly question these people. It's BS to suggest it can't be questioned in public. This isn't a terrorist plot against our country either. These are people upset someone who hasn't been given the evidence isn't merely going to just take the word of our intelligence agencies.

One of the reasons people voted for Trump is because they knew he wouldn't be afraid to publicly question stuff like this, as opposed to some back room meeting where it's only discussed behind closed doors.

The hypocrisy about them complaining about stuff being public is hilarious. didn't NBC and some other sites already get their hands of parts of a leaked report? That wasn't supposed to have been released yet? Not to mention these agencies had no qualms going public with assertions Russia did this..without providing any evidence.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
You don't see the major shift in your hypothetical?

No, I wouldn't give you the key to my house

Yes I would give you the key to my house if you needed to cut a rope to save my life.

Context matters, and as of right now we haven't even proved the Russian hack narrative, so I'm not going to jump to the narrative that it was done for nefarious purposes. Germany gave Hillary millions of dollars for her campaign, and no one would be arguing that Hillary is Merkal's puppet.

I can understand why people might be unwilling to give the CIA the benefit of the doubt here given the lack of absolute evidence, but if Trump feels that as well he should be in conference with them, finding out the details. Instead he seems to find making an utter clown of himself on Twitter a bigger priority, and souring relations between himself and US Intelligence a better use of his time.

That's extremely worrying, and it's embarrassing how people continue to make excuses for this bafoon.

Originally posted by Surtur
They aren't people who don't have to provide evidence though. Which Trump apparently wasn't going to be seeing until today. So complaining about not buying into what they say before that happens makes no sense.

They need to be called out if they want to behave as if they are some sort of sacred cow. You don't win back their trust by blindly trusting everything they say.

Yeah no, it's not out of order to publicly question these people. It's BS to suggest it can't be questioned in public. This isn't a terrorist plot against our country either. These are people upset someone who hasn't been given the evidence isn't merely going to just take the word of our intelligence agencies.

One of the reasons people voted for Trump is because they knew he wouldn't be afraid to publicly question stuff like this, as opposed to some back room meeting where it's only discussed behind closed doors.

The hypocrisy about them complaining about stuff being public is hilarious. didn't NBC and some other sites already get their hands of parts of a leaked report? That wasn't supposed to have been released yet? Not to mention these agencies had no qualms going public with assertions Russia did this..without providing any evidence.

And if you think Trump's twitter storm is going to improve national security, and the competency of your country's intelligence agencies, then Christ help you.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Uh-huh, whether you think the Russian hacking thing is real is not the problem, it's holding your intelligence agencies in contempt in general, as Trump is doing.

I can understand why people might be unwilling to give the CIA the benefit of the doubt here given the lack of absolute evidence, but if Trump feels that as well he should be in conference with them, finding out the details. Instead he seems to find making an utter clown of himself on Twitter a bigger priority, and souring relations between himself and US Intelligence a better use of his time.

The attitude that they are some sacred cow is exactly why you do have the showing of contempt for them.

I don't recall them making such a demand. But by holding your own intelligence agencies in contempt you only hurt yourself. Try to understand that. You. Need. Them. 👆

But nobody said we don't need them. What we aren't going to do, though, is blindly trust them. When they behave in a manner that suggests they expect it, it breeds contempt. Try to understand that.

There is a gulf of a difference between being willing to question their findings and ignoring them, disparaging them, and souring relations in general, and all with the rhetoric of a three year old. There is a reason why his behaviour is being described as unprecedented, because no sane President behaves in this manner, and its baffling how you aren't able to see that.

You can't ignore findings you haven't seen. What they should have done is keep their mouths shut until the evidence was presented, but they couldn't do it.

And if you think Trump's twitter storm is going to improve national security, and the competency of your country's intelligence agencies, then Christ help you.

But nobody said it would improve national security. This is why nobody takes people like you seriously anymore lol. What a joke you are. Whenever hypocrisy is pointed out you scramble trying to pivot away.

You literally praised Trump's tweeting in having a positive impact a few days ago, Surtur. FFS, at least be consistent in a given week.

Originally posted by Robtard
You literally praised Trump's tweeting in having a positive impact on policy a few days ago, Surtur. FFS, at least be consistent in a given week.

That doesn't mean I said it would improve national security though. But that was a nice try.

Keep stretching, you'll reach that icky spot eventually.

Originally posted by Robtard
Keep stretching, you'll reach that icky stop eventually.

Lol, you've officially lost your mind. Saying Trumps tweets can have a positive impact now translates into saying his tweets will improve national security. Good to know lol.

Declassified intelligence reports are forthcoming

Originally posted by Firefly218
Declassified intelligence reports are forthcoming

Prepare yourself for denials, deflections and derailments.

Originally posted by Robtard
Prepare yourself for denials, deflections and derailments.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the very worst thing these are likely to reveal is..that Russia hacked into the DNC.

Yes, you are wrong.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, you are wrong.

Enlighten me as to the worst thing you feel these are likely to show.

Originally posted by Robtard
You literally praised Trump's tweeting in having a positive impact a few days ago, Surtur. FFS, at least be consistent in a given week.

Originally posted by Surtur
Enlighten me as to the worst thing you feel these are likely to show.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Who knows how Surtur thinks this will benefit anyone, he only seems interested in vindicating his own opinion at this point.

I had pointed out stories that talked about the impact of his tweets when it came to the Ford-Mexico thing and when it came to the ethics committee thing getting stopped.

I said the articles showed his tweets have the potential to have a positive impact. The hilarity of some trying to use that to justify implying I feel his tweets will improve national security is off the scale.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Who knows how Surtur thinks this will benefit anyone, he only seems interested in vindicating his own opinion at this point.

It's why I have him on ignore; he is like a broken record. Same stuff in every thread.

Russia has been consistently destabilising the west for some time now, be it interfering in Elections or helping bankroll far right parties. It's interesting how quickly Communism can become Fascism with the right strong leader and private ownership of the means of production.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Russia influenced our election in favor of Trump. And worst possible scenario, that I think is unlikely but still possible, Trump was in on it.

To the first scenario you mention, I can't speak for every Trump voter, but I wouldn't feel the need to deny such a thing if true. Doesn't mean I'd be thrilled about it, but I'd just say the best response is to beef up security against hacking.

I wouldn't panic like some people want us to panic.

Originally posted by Stop the hate
It's why I have him on ignore;

Aww shucks, I earned the largest description in your signature marquee. You're so totally not triggered by me 🙂

he is like a broken record. Same stuff in every thread.

I'm sure you won't see this, but lol@ the irony of this.

Russia has been consistently destabilising the west for some time now, be it interfering in Elections or helping bankroll far right parties. It's interesting how quickly Communism can become Fascism with the right strong leader and private ownership of the means of production.

Lol@ this response as well. It's a good thing you have me on ignore, I wouldn't want to destabilize your delicate world view with facts.