Trump Gets briefed re: Hacking tomorrow, will he become more patriotic afterwards?

Originally posted by Surtur
The attitude that they are some sacred cow is exactly why you do have the showing of contempt for them.

But nobody said we don't need them. What we aren't going to do, though, is blindly trust them. When they behave in a manner that suggests they expect it, it breeds contempt. Try to understand that.

How do you think this meeting between Trump and US Intelligence agency is going to go now, in light of his comments? Badly. I imagine.

You can't ignore findings you haven't seen. What they should have done is keep their mouths shut until the evidence was presented, but they couldn't do it.

But nobody said it would improve national security. This is why nobody takes people like you seriously anymore lol. What a joke you are. Whenever hypocrisy is pointed out you scramble trying to pivot away.

But anyway you seem to think it will improve something, so what is it? POTUS/Intelligence relations or Twitter traffic?

Seems like a trolling response. You say that I seem to think it will improve something, and ask what it is. Yet, I already mentioned what started this, articles talking about how his tweet had an impact on the Ford decision(it wasn't the sole reason though). Or how when he tweeted about the ethics committee thing it ended up getting scrapped, once again surely not 100% due to Trump.

However, if his tweets had any effect at all on those decisions it does show the potential for a positive impact, as well as giving you examples of what that could be(like more jobs for Americans, even if it's only a couple hundred).

I also never once said with certainty his twitter would have a positive impact. I merely said might have the potential to have a positive impact. Which still doesn't translate into thinking it will improve national security.

OK? I'm not talking about the use of Twitter in general. I'm talking his publicised contempt towards US Intelligence, on and off of Twitter, the platform is largely irrelevant.

So still waiting for a reason why this is a proper and positive way to behave.

Because he was elected... Kinda the best test to see if people agree

Originally posted by Beniboybling
OK? I'm not talking about the use of Twitter in general. I'm talking his publicised contempt towards US Intelligence, on and off of Twitter, the platform is largely irrelevant.

So still waiting for a reason why this is a proper and positive way to behave.

If you're under the impression I feel that his questioning them in public will have a positive impact, not necessarily. You said why is it proper, it's more that I'm saying it isn't improper. But nor am I saying it absolutely has to be done.

I suppose if it caused our intelligence agencies to become more transparent when it comes to evidence for their claims, that would be a good thing.

You know what? F*ck our intelligence agencies. Yet another report released and guess what? No evidence lol. No actual evidence for the assessments they come to in the report.

So once again: we're supposed to buy what they are selling based purely on faith. It's not about their assessments, I want to see the evidence that allowed them to reach those assessments, which once again hasn't been forthcoming.

What a joke. Then this bullshit where some intelligence agencies have "high" confidence in this, while the NSA only has "moderate" confidence, but once again the reports don't tell us how they arrived at the conclusions they came to. Just more "take our word for it". Nope, not going to fly anymore, period. Put up or shut up. Anyone who doesn't like that or thinks its treasonous? Too damn bad.

Oh and apparently the DNC didn't let the FBI check their servers and it was some third party group.

Lol. What a joke this entire thing has been. No actual substance to anything people claim, just more "take our word for it" type bullshit.

Thanks, but no thanks.

I'm really starting to believe that conspiracy theory that the DNC hired hackers to put Russian malware on their own servers but then realized it wouldn't prove Russian hackers did it to cover up the horrid things coming out of the DNC leaks. Especially Seth Rich's murder.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
I'm really starting to believe that conspiracy theory that the DNC hired hackers to put Russian malware on their own servers but then realized it wouldn't prove Russian hackers did it to cover up the horrid things coming out of the DNC leaks. Especially Seth Rich's murder.

At this point I just don't take these people seriously anymore. No actual evidence has been shown lol. NONE.

So these people can open their mouths and flap their gums and say Russia totally did this to help Trump, but they can't give you the evidence because..national security.

That is the load of bullshit we're expected to swallow, but people want to whine Trump doesn't trust these people? Who felt they had the right to go announcing another country's guilt without even having gathered all the evidence yet? That's just not going to work. These intelligence agencies surely don't have to show us the evidence, but then they need to stop with the Russian narrative. It's put up or shut up time. Provide evidence or stop talking about it. They embarrass themselves whenever they behave as if they are owed the benefit of the doubt.

Originally posted by Surtur
At this point I just don't take these people seriously anymore. No actual evidence has been shown lol. NONE.

So these people can open their mouths and flap their gums and say Russia totally did this to help Trump, but they can't give you the evidence because..national security.

That is the load of bullshit we're expected to swallow, but people want to whine Trump doesn't trust these people? Who felt they had the right to go announcing another country's guilt without even having gathered all the evidence yet? That's just not going to work. These intelligence agencies surely don't have to show us the evidence, but then they need to stop with the Russian narrative. It's put up or shut up time. Provide evidence or stop talking about it. They embarrass themselves whenever they behave as if they are owed the benefit of the doubt.

You focus to much on Trump. If there was foul play then Trump shouldn't be in the discussion, it should be why/how did Obama's administration and our intelligence agencies allow this to happen?

Crying about Trump is simply a way for the administration to hide its inept policies when it comes to handling Russia and protecting our govt/citizens.

Originally posted by snowdragon
You focus to much on Trump. If there was foul play then Trump shouldn't be in the discussion, it should be why/how did Obama's administration and our intelligence agencies allow this to happen?

Crying about Trump is simply a way for the administration to hide its inept policies when it comes to handling Russia and protecting our govt/citizens.

I focus on him because the media continues to focus on his stance with the Russian incident.

I agree that this is a way for them to try to just distract from other things. People have truly become delusional when it comes to Russia.

The sanctions they put on Russia failed to have their desired effect on the Russians and in fact Putins response to us getting rid of their people made them look truly foolish.

All the government has done is help feed the hysteria about Russia while at the same time offering us no real concrete evidence. Now we have some people in this country saying it's treasonous to even question our intelligence agencies.

Lmao, Trump has now admitted Russia tried to influence the election.

Bwahaha, what are people going to do now? Complaining Trump wasn't even willing to acknowledge what Russia tried to do was a big part of these last few weeks.

Now that it has been taken away I expect them to complain that Trump isn't doing enough to talk about Russian involvement. Or they will complain he isn't willing to say what the Russians did actually had any effect on the election.

This will be a test to see if people just want something about Trump to b*tch about or not. If they're just cruising for something about Trump to complain about I know they'll find something else about this Russian situation to complain at Trump over. On the other hand if their concern for this was truly for the country, well, nothing else to complain about. Now the discussion can turn to increasing cyber security in this country.

More interested in what you will do Surtur now that even your Glorious Leader has accepted the truth. 😆

The funny thing is that the way Russia interfered, is exactly what America did during Brexit... Kinda a joke now

I'm curious to see the fallout though, how will Trump's change of heart effect his bromance with Putin? Is this a breakup?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
More interested in what you will do Surtur now that even your Glorious Leader has accepted the truth. 😆

He has accepted Russia tried to interfere. He of course never said he won because of Russia, or that it had any dramatic effect on voters.

So what is there that needs to be done really? If anything, this is a good thing.

It doesn't change what the emails have shown.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
The funny thing is that the way Russia interfered, is exactly what America did during Brexit... Kinda a joke now

The funniest thing about this entire situation is that one of the wikileaks showed the DNC lamenting the fact they didn't interfere in the election of a foreign country. Saying they should have taken steps to insure who they wanted to win had won. Of course people tried to play it off by saying they were talking about influencing the election in legal ways.

But also just this country's general history when it comes to interfering with foreign countries in various ways. The phenomenon we are seeing now from some people, especially those on the left, is that apparently the human race only came into existence the night of November 8, 2016. Since it seems like they have somehow forgotten anything and everything that happened prior to that date.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'm curious to see the fallout though, how will Trump's change of heart effect his bromance with Putin? Is this a breakup?

I doubt there will be any fallout. Trump has said Russia tried to interfere, but he didn't say they had any actual effect on the election, nor did he necessarily pin this on Putin specifically. On top of that, I think Putin would prefer to have a good relationship with Trump, or at least a decent one.

I feel it would be better to try to maintain a decent relationship with Russia while at the same time increasing our own security against cyber attacks. The alternative, which it seems Obama has chosen, is to retaliate. If we actually attack them in some way(even a cyber attack) it's just going to cause them to respond right back again. So there is a slippery slope to be had here, we can't exactly do nothing, but on the other hand I don't think anyone wants to get involved in some kind of cyber war with Russia.

Originally posted by Surtur
He has accepted Russia tried to interfere. He of course never said he won because of Russia, or that it had any dramatic effect on voters.

So what is there that needs to be done really? If anything, this is a good thing.

It doesn't change what the emails have shown.

But yeah, Putin is a good man, and we should let him carry on.

Spoiler:
Until it goes against my interests, then something must be done.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Which do you think has left him more upset though, that Russia interfered with his democracy? Or that Putin didn't think he could win by himself?

99% of the world didn't think Trump could win. I doubt he truly gives a shit.

But yeah, Putin is a good man, and we should let him carry on.

Spoiler:
Until it goes against my interests, then something must be done.

This is a very liberal way of thinking.

Originally posted by Surtur
99% of the world didn't think Trump could win. I doubt he truly gives a shit.

This is a very liberal way of thinking.