Rate the following MA guys from best to worst

but this is about overall H2H abilities. a good fighter is a good fighter. he doesnt have to know 212189239832902109 different styles of fighting. he just needs to be a good and skilled H2H fighter. if cap fights juggernaut h2h he will go down hard. juggernaut is the better fighter.

So a silverback gorilla is a more skilled fighter than Bruce Lee.

Originally posted by Dareangel
H2H skills is skills to fight H2H. if cap fights juggernaut H2H juggernaut will destroy him. so his H2H skills are greater.

Yeah, the Bruce Lees of the world are going to lose every fight to the guy with the gun. No shit. That doesn't mean the guy with the gun is more skilled at fighting.

If you fought an elephant hand to hand, I'd wager that you're the more skilled hand to hand combatant of the two (especially since elephants don't have hands, but that's neither here nor there). You're still going to die every time.

Point is, there are other factors that come into play besides skill that determine the outcome of a fight. Juggernaut has a ridiculously OP weapon in the fight against Cap that would give him an easy win, but that does not make him more skillful.

Originally posted by Dareangel
fighters develop their stats with training and with skill. a fighter that can take a punch and deliver a good one means he is usually a trained and skilled fighter.

Are you claiming that the Hulk and Juggernaut got their stats through training?

Rarely have I seen so many people get so easily baited by an incredibly obvious troll.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Rarely have I seen so many people get so easily baited by an incredibly obvious troll.

I am starting to think De is trying to make a point that trained fighter might not necessarily better fighters and despite have over abundant of physical advantage doesn't matter.

Cap has said that he and Panther are equals. I guess you could put Batman on that same level maybe. He would lose to either one though imo.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Rarely have I seen so many people get so easily baited by an incredibly obvious troll.

Originally posted by Cogito
In my defense, I'm super bored 😬

Originally posted by Cogito
You're confusing capability or prowess with skill.

Yeah, the Bruce Lees of the world are going to lose every fight to the guy with the gun. No shit. That doesn't mean the guy with the gun is more skilled at fighting.

If you fought an elephant hand to hand, I'd wager that you're the more skilled hand to hand combatant of the two (especially since elephants don't have hands, but that's neither here nor there). You're still going to die every time.

Point is, there are other factors that come into play besides skill that determine the outcome of a fight. Juggernaut has a ridiculously OP weapon in the fight against Cap that would give him an easy win, but that does not make him more skillful.

the guy with gun is not using his own body to fight he just shoots. an elephant wont actually fight me he will just stomp. juggernaut and hulk got fighting abilities and they will fight.
but thats the thing. fighters will always have some inner stats with them. some are born with a very good chin. some bring to the table even before their training specific stats. so what? fact is they will fight H2H and juggernaut will simply beat him up thanks to his abilities and overall stats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you claiming that the Hulk and Juggernaut got their stats through training?

they dont have to get them specificly thru training. there are fighters that bring a natural very strong chin that they didnt get thru training. or very hard hits or strong damage soak and durability. its natural to them. it doesnt have to be natural either. my point is that when you fight it doesnt matter where you got that from. you fight H2H with your opponent and if you are too tough for him to beat you are the better fighter. juggernaus punches are too strong for cap. he is too durable for cap. he will destroy him in a H2H fight. he is the better fighter.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Rarely have I seen so many people get so easily baited by an incredibly obvious troll.

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Originally posted by NemeBro
Rarely have I seen so many people get so easily baited by an incredibly obvious troll.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Rarely have I seen so many people get so easily baited by an incredibly obvious troll.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and just assumed he was stupid.

So yeah, gorillas ftw.

No point getting belts and learning skills. Just be born with it.

Doomsday is more skilled than Karate Kid etc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So yeah, gorillas ftw.

No point getting belts and learning skills. Just be born with it.

Doomsday is more skilled than Karate Kid etc.

i wouldnt go that far because KK matched PC superman and he would destroy Doomsday. however doomsday is a better H2H fighter than cap or batman.