Originally posted by Stoic
Exactly. I thought that I missed something.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Jane Thor's showing against this Kurse though very impressive is somewhat tempered by the fact that this Kurse was probably holding back somewhat.
During combat she had the wherewithal to let Jane Thor know that she wanted to be killed.
I took it as if Kurse didn't want to kill Jane, but that her body had been completely hijacked by the armor, which left her with the ability to see what she was doing but without the power to do anything about it. I don't think that she was holding back, because she lacked any control to do anything but watch.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She could also speak....but yes, it never said that Kurse is as strong, only that the origin stayed the same.I mean, GL rings all have the same origin, MJOLNIR has the same origin, but that doesn't mean Jane gets Odinson's feats, or Stewart gets Hal's feats etc...
Okay that is a fine detail that I forgot, but that doesn't mean that she had any physical control over the armor, or does it? We know that she didn't want to fight Jane, yet there she was trying to beat the life out of her. My main point here is that Jane has proven that she can take more punishment than Arthur could ever hope to bring to the table and still get up. She was able to bend Adamantium which shows that she is above his strength rating, and that's all before saying that she has all of her other powers and the hammer that she has the right to use in a forum battle.
Originally posted by Stoic
Okay that may be true about the Odin part, so we can omit that little bit as evidence. However, Jane has bent a pretty thick piece of Admantium, which should prove without a shadow of doubt that she is far above Arthur in terms of strength alone. Her showing against Kurse should also show this, and that is without the use of her hammer alone without even bringing her other powers into this.
In regards to adamantium it seems to vary. Carol Danvers has broken free of Adamantium/Vibranium which shows actual physical strength. What Jane did seems like striking power.
It does imply great/er striking power, but that's a given being Mljonir and all. Which probably provides the greatest striking power among that tier.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She could also speak....but yes, it never said that Kurse is as strong, only that the origin stayed the same.I mean, GL rings all have the same origin, MJOLNIR has the same origin, but that doesn't mean Jane gets Odinson's feats, or Stewart gets Hal's feats etc...
We do know that Jane has better control of Mjolnir though. We do know that Jane was able to bend Adamantium, which is something that I don't recall Odinson ever doing. It was implied that nothing had changed from the original Kurse to this new Kurse, and that the armor pretty much granted her the same level of strength as the original. At this point, I'm thinking that you may be over thinking the writers intent.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
In regards to adamantium it seems to vary. Carol Danvers has broken free of Adamantium/Vibranium which shows actual physical strength. What Jane did seems like striking power.It does imply great/er striking power, but that's a given being Mljonir and all. Which probably provides the greatest striking power among that tier.
Yes it does. The question here is whether people believe that a blow capable of doing that to Adamantium would be capable of one shot kayoing Arthur, or severely diminishing his ability to continue fighting. Again, that's without bringing up her other powers.
Originally posted by Stoicwhat grades adamantium was this pure? What? Odin is not a class 100 strength guy thor is the strongest of his race just like Hercules. Dcun aquaman has shown to have vast strength is he superman or hulk no but his strength is vast and has been shown capable of hurting top tier characters like darkseid, punking ww and putting superman on his ass. Im not low balling jane but you are low balling AM put its your opinion so...
She was, but all new smell characters are. Should that take away from her feats to date though?It was stated that she was as powerful as the original. At least I think that it was.
Okay that may be true about the Odin part, so we can omit that little bit as evidence. However, Jane has bent a pretty thick piece of Admantium, which should prove without a shadow of doubt that she is far above Arthur in terms of strength alone. Her showing against Kurse should also show this, and that is without the use of her hammer alone without even bringing her other powers into this.
Originally posted by Stoicodinson has way way WAY better feats then this board and WAY better control of the hammer stop it.
We do know that Jane has better control of Mjolnir though. We do know that Jane was able to bend Adamantium, which is something that I don't recall Odinson ever doing. It was implied that nothing had changed from the original Kurse to this new Kurse, and that the armor pretty much granted her the same level of strength as the original. At this point, I'm thinking that you may be over thinking the writers intent.
Originally posted by Stoic
Yes it does. The question here is whether people believe that a blow capable of doing that to Adamantium would be capable of one shot kayoing Arthur, or severely diminishing his ability to continue fighting. Again, that's without bringing up her other powers.
What about the strength to cause a stab capable of going through Rao, piercing into Darkseid's chest, or a trident hit able to put down Graves.
How's Jane handling that?
Originally posted by EcstaticGracenot well lol remember thor durability is not top tier. He is no superman or hulk or even blackdam.
What about the strength to cause a stab capable of going through Rao, piercing into Darkseid's chest, or a trident hit able to put down Graves.How's Jane handling that?
Originally posted by Stoic
I took it as if Kurse didn't want to kill Jane, but that her body had been completely hijacked by the armor, which left her with the ability to see what she was doing but without the power to do anything about it. I don't think that she was holding back, because she lacked any control to do anything but watch.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She could also speak....but yes, it never said that Kurse is as strong, only that the origin stayed the same.I mean, GL rings all have the same origin, MJOLNIR has the same origin, but that doesn't mean Jane gets Odinson's feats, or Stewart gets Hal's feats etc...
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
In regards to adamantium it seems to vary. Carol Danvers has broken free of Adamantium/Vibranium which shows actual physical strength. What Jane did seems like striking power.It does imply great/er striking power, but that's a given being Mljonir and all. Which probably provides the greatest striking power among that tier.
Wait. Are you saying Jane's feat with the adamtium/vibranium door did not show strength? I'm confused.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm not aware of that, but if she did that's pretty uber for her.Wait. Are you saying Jane's feat with the adamtium/vibranium door did not show strength? I'm confused.
No, I'm suggesting it's a striking strength feat. Just that it doesn't state all around stronger, just that she has greater striking force. Then atleast Arthur's fist.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
http://imgur.com/a/TNEQ7No, I'm suggesting it's a striking strength feat. Just that it doesn't state all around stronger, just that she has greater striking force. Then atleast Arthur's fist.
The walls were described as having a vibranium core with adamantium plating. We also find out later it was magically sealed(for whatever its worth).
http://readcomics.tv/thor/chapter-2/22
She was weakening , and still wrenched it open with her bare hands.
http://readcomics.tv/thor/chapter-3/full
Originally posted by mighty adam
odinson has way way WAY better feats then this board and WAY better control of the hammer stop it.
Thor never got the hammer to assume a body double. 🙂
Like it or nor, Mjolnir's been retconned as a sentient being with a will of it's own, and FAR more power then we've seen. (A super storm that could engulf galaxies and hold off a skyfather for months.)
And for whatever reason, it's been much more liberal with performing for Jane then it ever had for Odinson.
That could be viewed as either a knock on Thor. Or, it could be that it simply respects Thor enough to not hand it victories on a silver platter, while it likes and respects Jane enough to appreciate what she's trying to do, and going that extra mile for her (While also delivering some tough love to Odinson, who was getting pretty arrogant in Hickman's Avengers run.)
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
http://imgur.com/a/TNEQ7No, I'm suggesting it's a striking strength feat. Just that it doesn't state all around stronger, just that she has greater striking force. Then atleast Arthur's fist.
Carol was being powered by a Cosmic Cube or whatever.
In that same scene it was said such a feat should be impossible for both Sentry AND Ares working together.
So I'm confused how that at all detracts from Janes feat?
Also what's all this nonsense about striking power? She was bending through Adamantium Vibranium hybrid that was ALSO enchanted by magic while being WEAKENED by her transformation.
That's such a ridiculous strength feat in the face of it, that you could argue she'd rip Aquaman in half ala Sentry/Ares.