Originally posted by SunRazer
Or maybe Vader isn't superior to his former self. Have you just considered how you could reconcile everything if you didn't hold onto your personal fantasies regarding the situation? Have you considered that Ben's augmentation might not have improved all along because he was out of practice with that as well? As in, his skill in actually using the Force to augment himself declined, so that his power growth ultimately didn't even matter?The quotes confirm that Ben is overall an inferior combatant, you ****ing donkey. Show me quotes for Vader being superior to his former self in every way. Because we know from the quote I posted directly above that "power growth-based augmentation" is in fact overridden by physical ailments (such as Ben's age/lack of practice), which includes Vader's suit. Prove that the augmentation boost would've circumvented such a hindrance. We know from quotes that Ben's apparently improved augmentation didn't make him for his physical loss of speed, so prove - irrefutably - that Vader's augmentation would make up for his suit. Otherwise, can you not at least see the possibility that Vader's suit hindered him more than his augmentation enhanced him, and that therefore he overall declined as a combatant? Which is what Fightsaber, Lucas etc. were saying all along?
Come on, man.
I'm sorry but I don't consider canonical quotes personal fantasies. Given Maul was a deranged spider cyborg for over a decade and didn't lose any apparent skill in augmentation I find that unlikely.
The quote confirms that both Ben and Vader are lesser in some way given the other quotes regarding Vader. I've already explained what abilities the quote is likely referencing in my last post. I don't need to. I only need to have quotes confirming Vader is more powerful which I do. What proof do you have that power based augmentation is superseded by physical inferiority? Given the combatants we're talking about here have demonstrated feats with energy output far beyond a normal human I'd imagine it's quite the opposite. Prove it? Well, as I pointed out their feats have energy output far greater then what a baseline human is capable of generating and their augmentation should be equivalent.
"We know from quotes that Ben's apparently improved augmentation didn't make him for his physical loss of speed"
Where? Where is this unequivocally stated?
Originally posted by SunRazer
I have. You've yet to do so. You're not even giving me the courtesy of actually reading my posts.
I've read the entirety of your post thus far and as far I can see you've yet to admit to the legitimacy of the quotes placing Vader above Anakin.
Originally posted by SunRazer
It means that Vader recognizes Ben's deterioration in skill moreso than his power growth, lol. If the power growth made up for it, then Vader would be recognizing that, instead of the deterioration in skill. It's blindingly obvious as to what's more prevalent here. You're in a desperate state of denial right now and you can't even admit it.
That's what you believe it to mean. If Vader himself has grown in power, something that's confirmed, then the more relevant factor is their comparative skill which is why Vader acknowledged it.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Logical for you isn't logical for anyone else - you're living in your own deluded, illusory world. And I'm not a psychologist, so it's not my job to make you wake up. I'm just giving you the facts. If you want to twist them as you do, then you do that. I've had enough of this.
So I take that as a concession? 🙂
Originally posted by SunRazer
You're not even opening your mind to what I'm saying. Everything I say isn't logical - only what you say is. What a joke.
I do find what you're saying pretty laughable.
Originally posted by SunRazer
You're doing it even as we speak, lmfao. Way to destroy your own credibility. You're infamous for doing just that, too. Get a grip on reality. Because your argument on this case is a ****ing joke. You should be ashamed of yourself for calling people out on all these problems and yet exhibiting them in the exact same post.
When have I done that in the last 4 months?
Originally posted by SunRazer
I'm at least listening to you, trying to reason with you, and opening my mind to outside arguments. Can I at least get the same from you? Or is everything I say inherently biased, irredeemable, and not worthy of being listened to, while you sit there preaching the will of God in a heavenly choir voice? Because if you continue to show that you don't care about the possibility that you're wrong, I'll start to show that I don't care about you.
The thing is we're never going to agree because I interpret the quotes placing Vader above Anakin as they're supposed to be interpreted while you inevitably try to twist them.
Originally posted by SunRazer
God, this is getting annoying, lol.
I can't say the same. This has been highly entertaining. 🙂