Can Dooku ragdoll Vader?

Obi-Wan Kenobi is a shadow of his former self by the time of A New Hope, and Kenobi in his prime (Revenge of the Sith) gets anally destroyed by Dooku in telekinesis -- or, at least, is quite clearly the inferior in that regard.

Some believe Vader is inferior to Ben Kenobi in the Force by A New Hope, or at least not superior to any notable degree that it would be relevant in a combative scenario.

So given what was laid out, do you think the powerscaling would look somewhat like this: Dooku > RotS Kenobi > ANH Kenobi > Darth Vader in the Force? Actually, seeing as how the gap between Dooku and RotS Kenobi is likely decently large, and "shadow of his former self" implies a pretty large disparity in ability, it actual may look something like this: Dooku >> RotS Kenobi >> ANH Kenobi ~ ANH Vader.

Do you think Dooku can make Darth Vader as of A New Hope his ***** with the Force? Why or why not? And please, no trolling posts, as this is a very serious thread aimed at a legitimate discussion. Thank you.

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Is this for Canon or Legends?

ANH Kenobi>>Vader in the Force, did you not pay attention to the Force tiers in the previous thread?

Obviously Dooku>>ROTS Kenobi>>ANH Kenobi>>ANH Vader, or in simpler terms Dooku>>>>>>Vader

And this makes logical sense. Sure Vader has monstrous TK feats, and threw down with Galen who redirected a Star Destroyer, but that doesn't matter, because Riva Anu achieved the much greater feat of holding up a massive cruiser. With that in mind, Riva Anu is way inferior to any member of the Jedi council, some of whom are considerably beneath Obi-Wan, so again this continues to make sense. Especially when you consider that Dooku threw around several star destroyer sized ships casually, and was evenly matched with Yoda in a Force fight, who evenly matched Sidious, who in turn could solo an infinite army of Vaders.

So there's three lines of logic:
1. Dooku ragdolled ROTS Kenobi whose much more powerful than ANH Kenobi whose much more powerful than Vader
2. Vader's TK feats are only enough to match Galen who can only redirect one Star Destroyer with all of his effort, while Dooku can casually throw around several star destroyer sized ships at once. Vader is better suggested to be Sub-Riva Anu level, who doesn't even scratch Jedi Council level like Obi-Wan.
3. Dooku matched Yoda, proving he's near Yoda/Sidious level in the Force, which is enough to solo an infinite army of Vaders.

Thus, the obvious holistic intent is that Dooku shits on Vader in the Force so hard that if he had unlimited staminia he could solo an infinite army of Vaders.

No b/c of EU vs canon conflicts.

Though I would love to think that Dooku could....

Of course.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
ANH Kenobi>>Vader in the Force, did you not pay attention to the Force tiers in the previous thread?

Obviously Dooku>>ROTS Kenobi>>ANH Kenobi>>ANH Vader, or in simpler terms Dooku>>>>>>Vader

And this makes logical sense. Sure Vader has monstrous TK feats, and threw down with Galen who redirected a Star Destroyer, but that doesn't matter, because Riva Anu achieved the much greater feat of [b]holding up a massive cruiser. With that in mind, Riva Anu is way inferior to any member of the Jedi council, some of whom are considerably beneath Obi-Wan, so again this continues to make sense. Especially when you consider that Dooku threw around several star destroyer sized ships casually, and was evenly matched with Yoda in a Force fight, who evenly matched Sidious, who in turn could solo an infinite army of Vaders.

So there's three lines of logic:
1. Dooku ragdolled ROTS Kenobi whose much more powerful than ANH Kenobi whose much more powerful than Vader
2. Vader's TK feats are only enough to match Galen who can only redirect one Star Destroyer with all of his effort, while Dooku can casually throw around several star destroyer sized ships at once. Vader is better suggested to be Sub-Riva Anu level, who doesn't even scratch Jedi Council level like Obi-Wan.
3. Dooku matched Yoda, proving he's near Yoda/Sidious level in the Force, which is enough to solo an infinite army of Vaders.

Thus, the obvious holistic intent is that Dooku shits on Vader in the Force so hard that if he had unlimited staminia he could solo an infinite army of Vaders. [/B]

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Originally posted by |King Joker|
I agree. Why disregard Rivi-Anu's feat as a retarded one-off in a retarded, exaggerated medium when we could use that one feat as the foundation of our desperate agendas?

I mean shit, he let Rivi Anu think he needed saving when he could've just held it up on his own most likely effectively enough to save both of their lives... which kinda makes me wonder why Rivi Anu is so stupid. Why is she so stupid? It's obvious that if that is her standard level of power and the council members are above her they hold access to telekinetic power greater than this at all times, so what kinda weird mental gymnastics did she have to do to convince herself Mundi was in danger if Mundi obviously has this level of telekinetic power?

It seems clear to me that this wasn't a serious thread, but rather created for a couple members to passively aggressively rant about a Jedi padawan. mmm

The fact that you think a thread titled "Can Dooku Ragdoll Vader" has potential to be a serious thread, and that your answer depends on if it's canon or legends seriously worries me.

It obviously not serious, but a case could be made, and probably won, that Lucas' Vader would suffer the same fate as Kenobi.

Obviously the Legends authors and the new heads of Disney wouldn't have that though.

So much stupid in one thread. Dooku isn't stronger in the Force than Obi-Wan, he was just faster in that particular instance; Kenobi could have easily blocked it.

The real chain is:

RotS Kenobi >> ANH Kenobi >> Darth Vader >/= Count Dooku

lolno.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Dooku isn't stronger in the Force than Obi-Wan, he was just faster in that particular instance; Kenobi could have easily blocked it.

edit: 97% sure ur joking but i can never tell with u sas

About as sarcastic as you were being earlier on.

Whaaaaattt?? I'm dead serious, Nova.

As Sas said, your chain gets broken by the fact that the junior novel makes it oh-so-obvious that Obi-Wan could've stopped the Count's TK. It was just too sudden.

Come on, man.

Originally posted by SunRazer
As Sas said, your chain gets broken by the fact that the junior novel makes it oh-so-obvious that Obi-Wan could've stopped the Count's TK. It was just too sudden.

Come on, man.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Yeah, you're probably right. Kenobi attempting to counter Dooku definitely means he would have successfully, it's just that my double standards are preventing me from really understanding that. I'm sorry, guys. I'll try better next time. 🙁

Two's better than one. So keep the double standards.

I mean, we all know Obi-Wan's more powerful than Dooku. Remember that time he ended the fight with Dooku by using Push?