Oh, look, Beni is being retarded again, what a surprise. 😂
Being only a notable Sith during Bane's weak era is hardly far above Ventress, as the only legit Siith above Ventress during that period that could be far above Asajj was Bane - so, nah.
No need to take Plagueis word at one end, yet ignore it at another.
Friend, I'm going to have to stop you right there and ask you to re-read the text before the irony gets any deeper. 🙂
An investigation of the ship had yielded data that might have surprised even Darth Tenebrous, who had provided the ship. It seemed that well before he had confronted Plagueis or learned of his Master's fate, Venamis himself had been scouting for potential apprentices. Plagueis could not help being impressed, though begrudgingly. The young Bith would have done well in Bane's era. Now, however, he was an anachronism, and by extension, Tenebrous also.Clear yet? Plagueis wasn't talking about his Force power he was talking about his mindset, which Plagueis believed to be outmoded.
Originally posted by Beniboyblinghe said that, but then in the same paragraph defended against his attacks as if he were facing a trainee then proceeded to 2 shot him.
He never tries, but it's also said that their contest would have gone on "indefinitely". Ventress wouldn't last 5 seconds lmao.
As soon as plagueis stopped day dreaming about what their fight would look like to observers, and started taking it seriously and basically let the force guide him it wasnt even a contest.
"Plagueis took a moment to wonder if anyone at the fort was observing the results of the contest, which from afar, must have looked like lightning flashing through the forests understory."
"Realising that the fight could go on indefinitely, he took himself out of his body and began working his materiel self like a marionette, no longer on the offensive, instigating attacks, but merely responding to venemis's strikes. Gradually the bith understood that something had changed-that up until then had been a fight to the death seemed suddenly like a training exercise. Exasperated, he doubled his efforts, fighting harder, more desperately, putting more power into each maneuver and blow, and in the end surrendering his precision and accuracy."
"At the height of venemis's attack, plagueis came back into himself with such fury that his lightsaber became a blinding rod. A two handed upward swing launched from between his legs caught venemis off guard. The blade didnt go deep enough to puncture the biths lung but scorched him from chest to chin. As his large, cleft head snapped backward in retreat, Plagueis brought his lightsaber straight down, tearing venemis's weapon from his gloved hand and nearly taking off his long fingers as well."
And thats with venemis holding every advantage, prior knowledge of plagueis, and being trained by Plagueis's master to counter his style.
It baffles me how people intepret working himself like a marionette as letting an external power guide his actions when it's explictly Plagueis doing the puppeteering. 😬
Nah, he used a mixture of technical skill and clever strategy to cause Venamis to overextend so that he could defeat him. That doesn't mean that Venamis was an easy fight for him, quite the opposite the fact that he was unable to defeat Venamis through conventional means suggests the opposite.
Originally posted by Beniboyblinghowever u interpret that sentence changes nothing. As soon as he stops daydreaming and takes it seriously its no longer is a contest.
It baffles me how people intepret working himself like a marionette as letting an external power guide his actions when it's explictly Plagueis doing the puppeteering. 😬Nah, he used a mixture of technical skill and clever strategy to cause Venamis to overextend so that he could defeat him. That doesn't mean that Venamis was an easy fight for him, quite the opposite the fact that he was unable to defeat Venamis through conventional means suggests the opposite.
The fact that Plagueis wasn't even focusing on his opponent and instead was daydreaming about what the fight would look like to observers, and when he got serious and started to pay attention, he proceeded to make the fight akin to a training session would suggest it was fairly easy.
Also u didnt address venemis's advantages. How do u Whenk the fight would have gone if they switched places and Plagueis had prior knowledge of Venemis's knew his style inside and out, and got to pick the time and place of the encounter, and was sent there by his master to kill him, taking it seriously the whole time.
While at the same time, Venemis knows nothing about Plagueis, wasn't trained specifically to kill him, and didnt get to pick the time and place of the fight where be could hop around on tree branches which is perfectly suited to his acrobatic style.
Originally posted by SunRazersry but it never says such a thing. There is nothing inbetween the quotes i posted. He goes directly from daydreaming about what the fight looked like to observers, to thinking basically, if i dont start paying attention this could take forever. Then he gets serious and proceeds to tool on him as if it were a training session.
@Razer 22 -Not really. He said that if he just kept fighting normally, it'd be a fight that went on forever. So he decided to switch tactics.Although as you said, Venamis was trained to counter Plagueis.
Originally posted by Raptor22Nope this is just conjecture, nowhere is Plagueis described as daydreaming or not taking the fight seriously, certainly a bizarre approach to take having just been tagged.
however u interpret that sentence changes nothing. As soon as he stops daydreaming and takes it seriously its no longer is a contest.
The fact that Plagueis wasn't even focusing on his opponent and instead was daydreaming about what the fight would look like to observers, and when he got serious and started to pay attention, he proceeded to make the fight akin to a training session would suggest it was fairly easy.Thinking about his opponent and thinking about how he's being perceived are not mutually exclusive. It becoming like a training exercise because Plagueis stopped being active and became passive, not because his opponent was a push over.
Also u didnt address venemis's advantages. How do u Whenk the fight would have gone if they switched places and Plagueis had prior knowledge of Venemis's knew his style inside and out, and got to pick the time and place of the encounter, and was sent there by his master to kill him, taking it seriously the whole time.Neither did you address why Plagueis didn't simply beat him through conventional means. On the other hand, I don't see the relevance of this question. I never denied that Venamis went into that fight with significant advantages, but it would have gone in indefinitely all the same. Skill aside Venamis clearly rivalled Plagueis in strength, speed and stamina.While at the same time, Venemis knows nothing about Plagueis, wasn't trained specifically to kill him, and didnt get to pick the time and place of the fight where be could hop around on tree branches which is perfectly suited to his acrobatic style.
On the other hand the location of the fight was a product of sheer circumstance, you exaggerate its relevance.
Originally posted by Raptor22No darling, that's exactly what's said:
sry but it never says such a thing. There is nothing inbetween the quotes i posted. He goes directly from daydreaming about what the fight looked like to observers, to thinking basically, if i dont start paying attention this could take forever. Then he gets serious and proceeds to tool on him as if it were a training session.
Realising that the fight could go on indefinitely, he took himself out of his body and began working his materiel self like a marionette [...]
You are the one making shit up lmao.
Originally posted by Beniboyblingwhoops. Went to type response, pressed submit by accident
Nope this is just conjecture, nowhere is Plagueis described as daydreaming or not taking the fight seriously, certainly a bizarre approach to take having just been tagged.Thinking about his opponent and thinking about how he's being perceived are not mutually exclusive. It becoming like a training exercise because Plagueis stopped being active and became passive, not because his opponent was a push over.
Neither did you address why Plagueis didn't simply beat him through conventional means. On the other hand, I don't see the relevance of this question. I never denied that Venamis went into that fight with significant advantages, but it would have gone in indefinitely all the same. Skill aside Venamis clearly rivalled Plagueis in strength, speed and stamina.
On the other hand the location of the fight was a product of sheer circumstance, you exaggerate its relevance.