Originally posted by Beniboyblinglol. Plagueis daydreaming about what observers might be thinking of during the fight is exactly what the text describes. Denying it changes nothing. I agree it is a strange approach, yet its the approach he took.
Nope this is just conjecture, nowhere is Plagueis described as daydreaming or not taking the fight seriously, certainly a bizarre approach to take having just been tagged.Thinking about his opponent and thinking about how he's being perceived are not mutually exclusive. It becoming like a training exercise because Plagueis stopped being active and became passive, not because his opponent was a push over.
Neither did you address why Plagueis didn't simply beat him through conventional means. On the other hand, I don't see the relevance of this question. I never denied that Venamis went into that fight with significant advantages, but it would have gone in indefinitely all the same. Skill aside Venamis clearly rivalled Plagueis in strength, speed and stamina.
On the other hand the location of the fight was a product of sheer circumstance, you exaggerate its relevance.
His focus was divided and not soley on his opponent and the fight. Once again denying it changes nothing. If a boxer is in a fight and instead of thinking about his opponents next move or his strategy, but is thinking about what the crowd thinks of the fight then his focus is split. They re not mutually exclusive, but u cant have one without taking away from the other.
It became like a training exercise because venemis became completly outclassed and over matched no matter ho hard he tried, much like a trainee would.
Plagueis didnt beat him right away because he was distracted with the thoughts of his master having another apprentice, training and sending Venamis to kill him, and randomly daydreaming about observers. He did end it right away when he got his head in the game.
Yeah makes total sense that if one fighter had a bunch of huge advantages like prior knowledge of the other fighter, and specific training to beat them by their own master, and these were removed from the fighter and given to the other, then the fight would still go the same. Its an interesting debat approach. Saying stupid, nonsensical things in an effort to confuse me. Well played.
Lol. Yep pure circumstance. Like they just bumped into eachother on the subway. Its not like one of them was sent to kill the other and had been hunting him down.
With all this reaching, your arm is undoubtedly getting sore by now. I suggest ice. If u need the recipe let me know, ill hook u up.
Originally posted by Beniboyblingsry hun, he never says the fight will take forever if he keeps fighting normally. However he does realize the fight will take forever if he doesnt stop daydreaming and focus.
No darling, that's exactly what's said:Realising that the fight could go on indefinitely, he took himself out of his body and began working his materiel self like a marionette [...]
You are the one making shit up lmao.
Unless u think in a normal fight for him, he would be thinking about things like his master having a secret apprentice, sending him here to kill him and training him specifically to counter his style, and what woods people may be thinking.at the time.
Originally posted by Raptor22That's not daydreaming, that's thinking about one thing while doing another, something Plagueis, as an individual who genetically beyond average mental functions should be perfectly capable of doing without diverting attention from the task at hand. Bearing in mind this particular thought would have occupied Plagueis' mind for a fraction of the fight, not the entire duel kek.
lol. Plagueis daydreaming about what observers might be thinking of during the fight is exactly what the text describes. Denying it changes nothing. I agree it is a strange approach, yet its the approach he took.His focus was divided and not soley on his opponent and the fight. Once again denying it changes nothing. If a boxer is in a fight and instead of thinking about his opponents next move or his strategy, but is thinking about what the crowd thinks of the fight then his focus is split. They re not mutually exclusive, but u cant have one without taking away from the other.
So no, that Plagueis wasn't paying attention remains conjecture.
It became like a training exercise because venemis became completly outclassed and over matched no matter ho hard he tried, much like a trainee would.Lol, it was because it felt like a training exercise that Venamis "doubled his efforts", not the other way around, so another misreading.
Plagueis didnt beat him right away because he was distracted with the thoughts of his master having another apprentice, training and sending Venamis to kill him, and randomly daydreaming about observers. He did end it right away when he got his head in the game.He didn't end it right away, he changed tactics to create an opening in which to end it, whereas by your logic all he needed to do was focus.
Yeah makes total sense that if one fighter had a bunch of huge advantages like prior knowledge of the other fighter, and specific training to beat them by their own master, and these were removed from the fighter and given to the other, then the fight would still go the same. Its an interesting debat approach.If that's what you want to believe? Can't remember ever saying as much myself.
Saying stupid, nonsensical things in an effort to confuse me. Well played.You're becoming confused all by yourself friend, don't give me the credit.
Lol. Yep pure circumstance. Like they just bumped into eachother on the subway. Its not like one of them was sent to kill the other and had been hunting him down.No rather it was circumstance that Venamis tracked him to Sojourn and lured him into a forest to engage him in a duel, rather than another location had Plagueis been there instead. Try to apply some common sense.With all this reaching, your arm is undoubtedly getting sore by now. I suggest ice. If u need the recipe let me know, ill hook u up.
Originally posted by Raptor22Funny the words "stop", "daydreaming" and "focus" aren't anywhere mentioned in that passage, nor are any synonyms. Yet the words "fight" and "indefinitely" are, and then he starts fighting differently.
sry hun, he never says the fight will take forever if he keeps fighting normally. However he does realize the fight will take forever if he doesnt stop daydreaming and focus.
Is this perhaps an act or are you in fact as illiterate as you sound?
Unless u think in a normal fight for him, he would be thinking about things like his master having a secret apprentice, sending him here to kill him and training him specifically to counter his style, and what woods people may be thinking.at the time.Ignoring your reading errors, that's an irrelevant question, rather what you should be asking is was Plagueis fighting effectively? In which case we have no reasonable cause to believe he wasn't. 👆
Originally posted by SunRazeri disagree. It might not have been an instant win, but as soon as Plagueis switched mindsets, Venemis was out matched and unable to affect Plagueis in the slightes.
It wasn't an instant win even after Plagueis switched tactics. It says that Venamis "gradually" began to understand that things were changing (which it means it took time), and only once Venamis reached the height of his attack did Plagueis counterattack.
The text states that Venemis's understanding of this fact came gradually not plagues's dominance.
Inbetween the switch and Plagueis's attack these are the phrases and adjectives the author uses to convey his intentions towards Venemis's currently-
"What up until then had felt like a fight to the death seemed suddenly like a trainjng exercise."
"Exasperated"
"He doubled bis efforts"
"Fighting harder, more desperatly"
"Gradually the bith understood that something had changed, that up until then had been a fight to the death seemed suddenly like a training exercise. Exasperated, he doubled his efforts, fighting harder, more desperately, putting more power into each maneuver and blow, and in the end surrendering his precision and accuracy."
So Plagueis steps up his game a notch, and venemis gradually realises hes outmatched, like he's in a training session. He becomes exasperated, doubling his efforts to no avail becomes desperate and gets sloppy, and plagueis ends it.
How anyone can read that and think he was still putting up a good fight is very confusing to me.
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What a complete misreading.
First Plagueis did not "step us his game a notch", it's explictly stated that he stopped attacking, he goes on the defensive. The reason it feels like a training exercise being because Plagueis became passive, seemingly not attempting to win, as if it were only practice.
Really? Ventress nearly knocking over Plagueis with running, and making it difficult for Plagueis to keep up? Supporting the collapse of layer after layer of falling debris with no evident strain? Instantly erecting Barriers that can repel explosions? Sensing the death of her individual midi-chlorians? etc.
Originally posted by Beniboyblingi feel like im explaining things to a 5 year old.
Funny the words "stop", "daydreaming" and "focus" aren't anywhere mentioned in that passage, nor are any synonyms. Yet the words "fight" and "indefinitely" are, and then he starts fighting differently.Is this perhaps an act or are you in fact as illiterate as you sound?
Ignoring your reading errors, that's an irrelevant question, rather what you should be asking is was Plagueis fighting effectively? In which case we have no reasonable cause to believe he wasn't. 👆
" He took a moment to wonder if anyone at the fort..." gee i wonder what he toom a moment from. Perhaps it was from his focus on the fight. All it takes is the slightest level of reading comprehension.
Only a moron would argue that taking a moment to wonder about frivolous things while in the middle of a life or death isnt equivalent to daydreaming for a moment.
Example- while miss smith was explaining ww2, little jonny took a moment to wonder what her boobs look like.
Is he daydreaming about her boobs? Yes
Is his complete focus on her lecture? No
Were either focus or daydreaming mentioned in the snetence? Nope
But from the info were given we can extrapolate other facts.
Like if someone told u they have exactly 2 five dollar bill, a compentant person would extrapat that they have ten dollars, even though the number ten never got said.
Originally posted by Beniboybling"I never denied that Venamis went into that fight with significant advantages, but it would have gone in indefinitely all the same."- beniboyblingIf that's what you want to believe? Can't remember ever saying as much myself.
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Since u can't even remember or understand the things u yourself write, why should i be suprised that an actual book confuses u.
The rest of what u say is equally nonsensical, and has already been explained to u. Try reading it slower, and over and over a few times and u might understand. If not, im sure a special person like u has some sort of helper that might be able to help u get it.