Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, cosmos=multiverse? lol wtf? and there was no one else even present. she didn't have to sift through anything--just confirmed its empty. the range is cool i guess, but that is literally nothing compared to nate's feat. and where is this jonn scan of him scanning all timelines....?
That wasn't the LO3W incident.
Anyhow Nathan Grey Telepathy is off the charts. His range is Multiversal.
Example 1) The Broken creature showed telepathy vast enough to track down his prey from realities away. In the same series Nate does the same thing, and effortlessly tracks down Broken Creature when he retreated to his Native reality.
And his Telepathy carries Scope along with range.
Example 2) In the battle taking black in Brilliant City, a reality far and above reality 616. He managed to touch and reconnect Idaris to her alternate selves. We are not just talking scan to find someone or echo help but linking the mind to serve a purpose. Which is what makes impressive, since we already know he track others across realities refer to example 1.
Lastly we know where he stands among Earth Telepathy.
Example 3) He has put all Earth Telepaths on a fringe and on their knees in two separate occasions. He has released a psychic onslaught that no Heavy Hitting Telepaths where able to shrug off including the likes of Xavier or Jean Grey for example.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That was here.http://i.imgur.com/2KitjJv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qON4WFu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xe1hZQ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bf1aV5K.jpgAnd J'onn scans.
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Originally posted by "Id"
Anyhow Nathan Grey Telepathy is off the charts. His range is Multiversal.Example 1) The Broken creature showed telepathy vast enough to track down his prey from realities away. In the same series Nate does the same thing, and effortlessly tracks down Broken Creature when he retreated to his Native reality.
And his Telepathy carries Scope along with range.
Example 2) In the battle taking black in Brilliant City, a reality far and above reality 616. He managed to touch and reconnect Idaris to her alternate selves. We are not just talking scan to find someone or echo help but linking the mind to serve a purpose. Which is what makes impressive, since we already know he track others across realities refer to example 1.Lastly we know where he stands among Earth Telepathy.
Example 3) He has put all Earth Telepaths on a fringe and on their knees in two separate occasions. He has released a psychic onslaught that no Heavy Hitting Telepaths where able to shrug off including the likes of Xavier or Jean Grey for example.
So above the HH tier,is what I'm seeing....
Originally posted by Galan007I just don't see a distinction between the powers in the moment where he claims Ares is 'war personified'. I read it as Nate having multiple ways to access vast knowledge, including through telepathy.
I was under the impression that Nate was able to view Ares' 'status' across every plane/future, due to his ability to whimsically access planck time. After all, he seemed to pull the same trick a few pages later in the issue, when he showed Mimic the futures/existences of the Dark Avengers roster:
https://i.imgur.com/JktZQ5U.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OmishNV.jpgGranted that is apparently only one of 300 ways Nate can 'see', but when he read Ares it came off more like *that* to me, and less like raw TP:
https://i.imgur.com/AKlKWTs.jpgThoughts? srug
Originally posted by abhilegendYes, that speaks to them being split personas. The scan doesn't say that Nate somehow piggybacks that link to find them. It's a moot point anyways, because the meat of the feat is when he easily merges minds across the multiverse.
The other versions were connected by psychic connections. Hence how a version of Idris even heard it across universes when one of them were in danger.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/vibJsoxsXwwjWWq4WEqObkRncvkWUbV5LK4nie7n-lOwcp2XnmewAUGavJGEeF19WD-TLQjs9jwd=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/tHQ2FcSI9BX43X6oWL0rM3koeJdItBsLEmFUKzL82OzvDRJ2zOIV2JGQtbsoXJtqRIgRu6xw7mke=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/dKBD8XIDj7wRwArmgWzywQ0_YZdeEWe9-jZ5udGtmfp-iDkiw3pisSvzqnfG1IlZrVXXVECVXtO6=s1600Hence why even the blind nun could see from another version's eyes.
Of Ares specifically. Not of everyone and everyone.Yes, of Ares.You're talking like he could connect with entire universes. He isn't that powerful.
No, I'm just describing the feats of multiversal telepathy as they appear on panel. He probably has the best combination of range and power of any herald telepath.
Originally posted by "Id"
Anyhow Nathan Grey Telepathy is off the charts. His range is Multiversal.Example 1) The Broken creature showed telepathy vast enough to track down his prey from realities away. In the same series Nate does the same thing, and effortlessly tracks down Broken Creature when he retreated to his Native reality.
And his Telepathy carries Scope along with range.
Example 2) In the battle taking black in Brilliant City, a reality far and above reality 616. He managed to touch and reconnect Idaris to her alternate selves. We are not just talking scan to find someone or echo help but linking the mind to serve a purpose. Which is what makes impressive, since we already know he track others across realities refer to example 1.
None of these are multiversal showings when all he has done is track one individual due to the psychic connection her other halves had.
Lastly we know where he stands among Earth Telepathy.
Example 3) He has put all Earth Telepaths on a fringe and on their knees in two separate occasions. He has released a psychic onslaught that no Heavy Hitting Telepaths where able to shrug off including the likes of Xavier or Jean Grey for example.
Even Psylocke has done that with shadow king. Onslaught with Charles power overpowered Nate.
And a literal novice Saturn Queen has killed J'onn with TP. Imra has gone toe to toe with 900 telepaths like her straight up and defeated them.
Originally posted by Smurph
Yes, that speaks to them being split personas. The scan doesn't say that Nate somehow piggybacks that link to find them. It's a moot point anyways, because the meat of the feat is when he easily merges minds across the multiverse.
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It does not need to be said when the personas could hear the psychic signals across realities anyway.
Yes, of Ares.
No, I'm just describing the feats of multiversal telepathy as they appear on panel. He probably has the best combination of range and power of any herald telepath.
He has the range but not the power. The best feat he has regarding the minds is when he scanned the earth.
Taking the emotions of New York gave him headache. Imra could feel the emotions of the entire universe.
Nate is nowhere near that level.
Originally posted by abhilegend
None of these are multiversal showings when all he has done is track one individual due to the psychic connection her other halves had.
Originally posted by abhilegendLol @ the downplaying and lowballing.
He has the range but not the power. The best feat he has regarding the minds is when he scanned the earth.Taking the emotions of New York gave him headache. Imra could feel the emotions of the entire universe.
Nate is nowhere near that level.
It cuts both ways though: Imra felt a single emotion resonate across the universe, when everybody at once cried out in sympathy. She's not just willfully tapping into all their individual psyches simultaneously.
The difference between the feats is that Imra was strained by hers, and Nate's are done with ease... which is why your repeated insistence that Nate is "nowhere near that level" just sounds like bullshit.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What?
imagining your reaction to those feats had they been posted in defense of nate. 😂
portals were open, so she didn't even send her consciousness across universes, and the rings were amped and aided her search. it's a completely shared feat, or she was amped (by the rings) or at the VERY least it wasn't done by her, on her own, under her own power.
had this been shown to be done by nate, you'd be ALL OVER this feat, lowballing it and screaming how it's nowhere near as great as you're saying it is.
and the jonn feat? really? not worth discussing.
Originally posted by Galan007
I was under the impression that Nate was able to view Ares' 'status' across every plane/future, due to his ability to whimsically access planck time. After all, he seemed to pull the same trick a few pages later in the issue, when he showed Mimic the futures/existences of the Dark Avengers roster:
https://i.imgur.com/JktZQ5U.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OmishNV.jpgGranted that is apparently only one of 300 ways Nate can 'see', but when he read Ares it came off more like *that* to me, and less like raw TP:
https://i.imgur.com/AKlKWTs.jpgThoughts? srug
it has always been a very exotic feat and i wouldn't label it traditional tp. i think one of the things that makes nate so powerful is that he has access to all the mental disciplines at the highest level. before going full power, his tk let him fight hulk one on one. he's demonstrated atomic levels of tk. he can kill xavier on the astral plane. his tp is strong enough to penetrate the barriers that separate our earth from all its alternates--and regardless of how abhi tries to spin it, that IS a monstrous feat. he's stopped time as well, can teleport, yadda yadda.
i've always found the above feat difficult to quantify in terms of raw power. i think another manifestation of his power is the ability to see across time in ways most can't (reminds me of a couple surfer feats, tbh). i think the whole 'plank time' thing is merely a corollary of his ability to see time in different ways. it would seem that it should follow that if he can access plank time (essentially enter a tiny piece of time and stay there, allowing normal time to flow around him) that he could access any time he can perceive. he can dimensionally travel as well, which is a similar idea. his perceptions let him see things, and his power allows him to access what he sees. not sure that makes sense, but tbh, i think the plank thing was thrown in strictly because the author thought it sounded cool, so rationalizing/explaining it is...not terribly easy imo. lol
Originally posted by "Id"
If you claim that Idaris does have a psychic connection with her alternate selves. The burden of proof falls squarely on your shoulders to prove your claim.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/vibJsoxsXwwjWWq4WEqObkRncvkWUbV5LK4nie7n-lOwcp2XnmewAUGavJGEeF19WD-TLQjs9jwd=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/%20tHQ2FcSI9BX43X6oWL0rM3koeJdItBsLEmFUKzL82OzvDRJ2zO%3Cbr%20/%3EIV2JGQtbsoXJtqRIgRu6xw7mke=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/dKBD8XIDj7wRwArmgWzywQ0_YZdeEWe9-jZ5udGtmfp-iDkiw3pisSvzqnfG1IlZrVXXVECVXtO6=s1600
Originally posted by Smurph
Lol @ the downplaying and lowballing.It cuts both ways though: Imra felt a single emotion resonate across the universe, when everybody at once cried out in sympathy. She's not just willfully tapping into all their individual psyches simultaneously.
The difference between the feats is that Imra was strained by hers, and Nate's are done with ease... which is why your repeated insistence that Nate is "nowhere near that level" just sounds like bullshit.
Also she tapped entire universe's psychic scream and gemworld which is another universe altogether. It's not just connecting one person with her other psychic parts.
Originally posted by leonidas
imagining your reaction to those feats had they been posted in defense of nate. 😂portals were open, so she didn't even send her consciousness across universes, and the rings were amped and aided her search. it's a completely shared feat, or she was amped (by the rings) or at the VERY least it wasn't done by her, on her own, under her own power.
The rings don't have psychic uses. They were to send the signal through the portals to the other legions in their rings.
She literally says that she is scanning through the mind of so many and the portals were for entire centuries to access the vanishing point.
http://i.imgur.com/xe1hZQ1.jpg
Second to last panel even shows the years as she scans through them. It's TP across time and space across the multiverse.
I don't know how you can think it's not a gargantuan feat.
had this been shown to be done by nate, you'd be ALL OVER this feat, lowballing it and screaming how it's nowhere near as great as you're saying it is.
Why?
and the jonn feat? really? not worth discussing.
Why not? J'onn merged his mind with John and scanned entire dimensions when Wally was tumbling through them.
Originally posted by Smurph
Oh. 😂I must have missed the "one hell of a distress signal"/"you're on the air" part earlier.
Meanwhile downplaying another character's multiversal feat because of a psychic connection. Lol, gotta toe the company line I guess...
If Nate could do that, you would be all over such a feat.
