most powerful telepath?

the ONLY reason should could connect with them was because she was at the nexus and the open portals allowed her to contact them. and the only reason she could contact them even with that was because of the amped rings (so even if normal rings don't help, it was clear that the amped ones had some affect on her tp). if the rings played no role why use them and why say, literally, just after the rings are amped: "you're on the air"? even then the portals needed to be open wider. the most impressive thing, i guess, is that she seems to have contacted a lot of legion members, but we don't even know how many.

your initial claim that she has 'multiversal' tp is a gross misrepresentation of that feat. it's a pretty good feat, but i wouldn't put that past xavier or even jonn.

Leo right on the money.

As somone who's been laughing at the saturn girl hyperbole for some time I am quite happy with the recent development.

Originally posted by leonidas
the ONLY reason should could connect with them was because she was at the nexus and the open portals allowed her to contact them. and the only reason she could contact them even with that was because of the amped rings (so even if normal rings don't help, it was clear that the amped ones had some affect on her tp). if the rings played no role why use them and why say, literally, just after the rings are amped: "you're on the air"?

Because they opened the portal and not amped her power. "Being on air" doesn't means being amped.

It was a TP call across time and space through the multiverse.

even then the portals needed to be open wider. the most impressive thing, i guess, is that she seems to have contacted a lot of legion members, but we don't even know how many.

She scanned entire centuries to find them. That's a lot of minds.

your initial claim that she has 'multiversal' tp is a gross misrepresentation of that feat. it's a pretty good feat, but i wouldn't put that past xavier or even jonn.

Nate can't even say that. He connected one person to her psychic selves via literally a psychic connection but you're trying to say her feat was lesser because of the portals? Hypocritical much?

Show me one feat of Nate where he connects with just a solar system much less entire universe.

Or scans entire universe within a panel. Until then he is far below her in power.

Originally posted by leonidas
tbh, i think the plank thing was thrown in strictly because the author thought it sounded cool, so rationalizing/explaining it is...not terribly easy imo. lol

In fact, I remember specifically lol'ing when that issue of Dark X-Men was released, because it was right around the time when the F4 beat the Marquis of Death by accessing 'Planck temperature'... So yeah, Marvel was definitely wanking Planck-units tremendously back then. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because they opened the portal and not amped her power. "Being on air" doesn't means being amped.

so what did the rings do iyo? why not just have her call for help? why the need for the rings?

It was a TP call across time and space through the multiverse.

what? no it wasn't. or rather it was, but only to the universes (multi-universal) that were ALREADY open to her. and even then the portals needed to be opened wider for her powers to work.

She scanned entire centuries to find them. That's a lot of minds.

the rings established the link between legionaires. she didn't need to find anyone.

Nate can't even say that. He connected one person to her psychic selves via literally a psychic connection but you're trying to say her feat was lesser because of the portals? Hypocritical much?

at least he was required to ACTUALLY send his mind across alternate universes. these others universes weren't already open to him. what you're saying is the same as equating surtur to a multiversal power because his flames were gonna destroy everything because he was at a nexxus and could thus send the flames everywhere. special circumstances allowed for that feat.

and the whole point of her fracturing herself was to make her pieces impossible to find. i agree there was a connection that he may have been able to follow, but what's so impressive is he STILL had to access alternate universes on his own. that's vastly different from what she did in that scan.

Show me one feat of Nate where he connects with just a solar system much less entire universe.

wut? who cares if he's connected a universe. but i'd love to see HER feat though. and even if it is actually true this time, when she can use the power of her mind to stop time and travel between universes, she's far below him in power. 🙄

Or scans entire universe within a panel. Until then he is far below her in power. [/B]

i hope you're not referencing the scan you showed here earlier because, again, that isn't showing what you say it's showing....

i'm done listening to the lowballing though. you drag me and others into using the same tactics. fact is her feat is a good one, if ambiguous. do i see it being beyond nate? no chance.

@galan--what do you make of the feat in discussion? btw, i fully expect you to be a major contributor to my synopses thread in the comic book forum. 😂

I think that she was able to preform the feat because she was at a multiversal nexus(ie. Vanishing Point) which allowed for such -- I thought it was pretty explicitly stated:
https://i.imgur.com/XjqdzwI.jpg

Similar to how/why SBP was able to alter the multiverse with physical strikes from within the Limbo/nexus realm:
https://i.imgur.com/hNlk2Dr.jpg

...Nexus points are funny that way. Not saying the feat isn't impressive(she still telepathically communicated/linked with a shit-ton of Legionnaires) -- just saying that it has a pretty big asterisk next to it. /shrug

That said, Imra has other feats that are FAR more impressive, imo. For example: using her TP to flash-read/sense every mind in the entire universe + Sorcerers' World, in the space of a single page:
https://i.imgur.com/471wCiF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e1DD0h1.jpg
*Keep in mind: Sorcerers' World = Gemworld = an entirely different dimension -- which makes her feat a LOT more impressive, as it means she was applying her TP cross-dimensionally.

...And again: she did that under her own power. No extenuating circumstances.

Personally, I find that feat a LOT more impressive than the showing from Lo3W. srug

Manchester Black has some good ones.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think that she was able to preform the feat because she was at a multiversal nexus(ie. Vanishing Point) which allowed for such -- I thought it was pretty explicitly stated:
https://i.imgur.com/XjqdzwI.jpg

Similar to how/why SBP was able to alter the multiverse with physical strikes from within the Limbo/nexus realm:
https://i.imgur.com/hNlk2Dr.jpg

...Nexus points are funny that way. Not saying the feat isn't impressive(she still telepathically communicated/linked with a shit-ton of Legionnaires) -- just saying that it has a pretty big asterisk next to it. /shrug

agreed 100%. 👆

That said, Imra has other feats that are FAR more impressive, imo. For example: using her TP to flash-read/sense every mind in the entire universe + Sorcerers' World, in the space of a single page:
https://i.imgur.com/471wCiF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e1DD0h1.jpg
*Keep in mind: Sorcerers' World = Gemworld = an entirely different dimension... Which makes her feat vastly more impressive, as it means she was using it cross-dimensionally.

...And again: she did that under her own power. No extenuating circumstances.

Personally, I find that feat a LOT more impressive than the showing from Lo3W. srug [/B]

i assume this is the feat abhi had in mind. after reading it, i wonder about a couple things and let me know what you think, bearing in my this isn't me lowballing lol:

her planet died. it was a planet of high order telepaths. it seems to me that what is implied in the scan is that the death cry of the planet's inhabitants is released in a massive surge of power, and it is the combined power of the race as they are dying that allows everyone, everywhere, to feel the pain and sympathize. looking at just the scans, the feat seems passive in the sense that she "hears" it--like the planet called to her, as opposed to her sending out her own thoughts across the universe. she 'hears' her people die, 'hears' 'the echoes'. she isn't linking everyone in sympathy here, imo, she seems to be following the release of power of the dying inhabitants, tapping into it as her people die.

cool if you disagree. again, not trying to low ball, but that's just how it feels to me. /shrug

Indeed, Titan's destruction WAS felt by all minds across the universe(and Sorcerers' World.) However, the only way Imra could have known this is because she was able to sense all of their collective thoughts/emotions simultaneously.

In this context, "hearing" equates to "sensing".

X-Man #63
Broken Creature Mentally dominated and TK ripped this poor sap.

He did so litteraly reality aways, before he/she reached Spiral. Fantastic View BTW.

Multiversal mind sharp shooter confirmed. 131fist

so you think she is capable of sensing the feelings of all the beings in the universe (and beyond) any time she wishes? hmm, i don't think i'd say that. the idea of sensing 'echoes' implies to me that she is getting SOME sense of an overwhelming feeling (sympathy) and she can sense that feeling.

i dunno if that means she could simply register all minds in the universe at once if they weren't feeling the same thing, under that particular circumstance.

i guess abhi had me thinking she just tapped into/read every mind and/or generated the sensation in every mind in the universe. i don't think that is what happened there. shrug

Originally posted by "Id"
X-Man #63
Broken Creature Mentally dominated and TK ripped this poor sap.

He did so litteraly reality aways, before he/she reached Spiral. Fantastic View BTW.

Multiversal mind sharp shooter confirmed. 131fist

lol 👆

Originally posted by leonidas
so you think she is capable of sensing the feelings of all the beings in the universe (and beyond) any time she wishes?

All this telepath talk.....

Now direct your energies here!!!!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t647202.html

Originally posted by Galan007
I think that she was able to preform the feat because she was at a multiversal nexus(ie. Vanishing Point) which allowed for such -- I thought it was pretty explicitly stated:
https://i.imgur.com/XjqdzwI.jpg

Similar to how/why SBP was able to alter the multiverse with physical strikes from within the Limbo/nexus realm:
https://i.imgur.com/hNlk2Dr.jpg

...Nexus points are funny that way. Not saying the feat isn't impressive(she still telepathically communicated/linked with a shit-ton of Legionnaires) -- just saying that it has a pretty big asterisk next to it. /shrug

That said, Imra has other feats that are FAR more impressive, imo. For example: using her TP to flash-read/sense every mind in the entire universe + Sorcerers' World, in the space of a single page:
https://i.imgur.com/471wCiF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e1DD0h1.jpg
*Keep in mind: Sorcerers' World = Gemworld = an entirely different dimension -- which makes her feat a LOT more impressive, as it means she was applying her TP cross-dimensionally.

...And again: she did that under her own power. No extenuating circumstances.

Personally, I find that feat a LOT more impressive than the showing from Lo3W. srug

👆

Pre-crisis Ultra-Humanite was able to influence the JSA from another dimension. Not as impressive as Saturn Girl but still very uber.

Originally posted by leonidas
so what did the rings do iyo? why not just have her call for help? why the need for the rings?

To create portals to other times.

what? no it wasn't. or rather it was, but only to the universes (multi-universal) that were ALREADY open to her. and even then the portals needed to be opened wider for her powers to work.

Because the TP call was across time and space. Not just across space or dimensions.

the rings established the link between legionaires. she didn't need to find anyone.

That's never established.

at least he was required to ACTUALLY send his mind across alternate universes. these others universes weren't already open to him. what you're saying is the same as equating surtur to a multiversal power because his flames were gonna destroy everything because he was at a nexxus and could thus send the flames everywhere. special circumstances allowed for that feat.
[/quote l]

He never sent his mind across universes. He used her psychic link to her other halves to bring them to Brilliant City.

Don't be fooled by the out of context scans Id posted. [quote]

and the whole point of her fracturing herself was to make her pieces impossible to find. i agree there was a connection that he may have been able to follow, but what's so impressive is he STILL had to access alternate universes on his own. that's vastly different from what she did in that scan.

That was never stated. In fact one of her fractures travelled across realities hearing her psychic call.

He never accessed other universes on his own.

wut? who cares if he's connected a universe. but i'd love to see HER feat though. and even if it is actually true this time, when she can use the power of her mind to stop time and travel between universes, she's far below him in power. 🙄

That's TK not TP.

i hope you're not referencing the scan you showed here earlier because, again, that isn't showing what you say it's showing....

ermm

i'm done listening to the lowballing though. you drag me and others into using the same tactics. fact is her feat is a good one, if ambiguous. do i see it being beyond nate? no chance.

It is beyond him because he has never done so. And what did I lowball?

Originally posted by "Id"
X-Man #63
Broken Creature Mentally dominated and TK ripped this poor sap.

He did so litteraly reality aways, before he/she reached Spiral. Fantastic View BTW.

Multiversal mind sharp shooter confirmed. 131fist

Brainiac brainwashed entire Earth into seeing a corpse in superman's tomb while being a vegetable on New Genesis by just his subconscious mind which fooled even the most knowledgeable scientist on kryptonian physiology, Emil Hamilton several times.

This was all done by just his subconscious mind while he was a universe away.

He brainwashed the whole planet

That was friggen crazy.