Originally posted by wuleecatI did a double-take on that too. None of the known forces in physics are made of molecules (eg, electromagnetism 'is made of' photons; the nuclear strong force, gluons). But given that the speed"force" is fictional, the writers can make it based on whatever.
What's that? Is the Speed Force made of molecules?
That said, it seems as if any expert molecular manipulator could take Flash out.
Originally posted by ghostman
reed can prep in the middle of a fight with bloodlusted flash trying to kill him?
Air still reach's him. So he just steals speed from all oxygen in the room, and Reed asphyxiates. (Or more directly, creates gail force hurricanes. Lot of ways a Flash can beat you without touching you.)
Would a spatial distortion field even work on a being traveling past light speed, where perceptions should technically already be altered? I mean, light's clearly reaching them, too. (For that matter, what happens if Wally/Barry just closes his eyes and search's the entire room in a picosecond blind..?)
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Forum superman.-He has casually sped through timestop tech.
-Matched an out of control barry and wally.
-Casually matched professor zoom's speed with the latter admitting it.
-Made people like jay garrick and power girl look frozen.
-Matched barry and wally's speed by entering darkseid's dimension/singularity when both had to go 'faster than they've ever gone before' to get into it themselves. The same singularity that kept even high level green laterns out; no matter how fast they went, they were stuck in a timeloop. So superman is immensely faster than beings that regularly travel from the center of the universe (Oa) to the fringes. So much faster that he can power through timeloops that they can't.
-And just recently matched a new and improved wally.
The difference between max speed supes and max speed flash is a matter of percentages, not multiples.
I said before if barry and wally are cheetahs, supes is a lion.
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Superman is the only one who comes close, all the other heroes [from both Universes] are basically statues.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What do you mean?The null field doesn't extend infinitely. Aquarian has to consciously expand it.
However, Flash can run rings or whatever, outside of the null field. He doesn't produce more air.
Flash isn't sucking anything from his lungs.
Originally posted by zopzop
The Null Field is centered on Aquarian at all times. He has to will it to decrease so that other beings can move about freely. At it's 'natural' state it always extends at it's maximum distance (unless something's changed). As he moves, it moves with him.Flash isn't sucking anything from his lungs.
Flash could suck the air from around the field.
The Speed Force also doesn't operate off strict kinetic energy. It's why he could tamper with neural signals (Something the field clearly doesn't inhibit.)
Like Zoom doesn't, but uses time bending (Which would almost certainly ignore a null field.)
Originally posted by zopzop
The Null Field is centered on Aquarian at all times. He has to will it to decrease so that other beings can move about freely. At it's 'natural' state it always extends at it's maximum distance (unless something's changed). As he moves, it moves with him.Flash isn't sucking anything from his lungs.
Originally posted by Mindship
I did a double-take on that too. None of the known forces in physics are made of molecules (eg, electromagnetism 'is made of' photons; the nuclear strong force, gluons). But given that the speed"force" is fictional, the writers can make it based on whatever.That said, it seems as if any expert molecular manipulator could take Flash out.
That's what I was thinking. I mean, gravity is a force but it isn't 'made out of molecules' is it?
Meh, you're right it's fiction. I guess they can say the speed force is made out of belly button fluff and chocolate sprinkles and it would make as much sense.
I just can't escape the feeling that in that scan with the big Captain Atom casually grabbing Flash, it seems a very, very lazy 2-panel pis bullsh#t bit of writing to try and 'explain away' Flash's incredible speed advantage.