Originally posted by MythLord
You keep contradicting yourself. Malgus is Marr's real superior, but Nox is close to Malgus and inferior to Marr, so Marr is > Malgus who is a peer of Vader(I baselessly proclaim) and a guy said Jadus is 2nd to Vitiate so hurrr duurrr Jadus is Plagueis level!Not like your accolades are actually legitimate. They're subjective character statements. The only legitimate one is the Codex Entry, which was technically made before the player even reached Act III so it shouldn't apply to prime Nox or Wrath in any sense, or FE Malgus really. And even then, the Codex Entry is also in-universe so it's not concrete.
Also, you can't cherry pick the point to which the Codex Entry accolade is valid and to which point it's not. If it says Marr is "second to none", that would include Jadus. Jadus is thus inferior and your whole failed attempt at scaling goes down the toilet.
The codex entry for Marr, to my knowledge, was unchanging, and so would need to be able to be applied to any changes that were made to the game after release. Which is why it doesn't go into detail. Meaning it can be applied to pretty much any point in time before Marr's death. So the quote still applies post Battle of Ilum, which is where my argument is centered.
It's not cherry picking, Jadus has accolades putting him above Marr, and he has feats to back those accolades. Based on these feats and accolads, Jadus IS >all other DC members, Malgus WAS >Marr, and now Marr IS >all currently living Sith as of the end of the Battle of Ilum.
Originally posted by darthbane77
Malgus is Marr's only superior by the Battle of Ilum because Jadus was presumed dead at that point in time, so when Malgus died Marr was presumed to be the most powerful Sith alive at the time. There's no contradictions there.
The Codex Entry would've been made before the battle of Ilum, though, and there isn't a big gap inbetween Malgus' "death", Jadus' death and that battle so it's likely the Codex is taking Malgus and Jadus into account as well.
Originally posted by darthbane77
The codex entry for Marr, to my knowledge, was unchanging, and so would need to be able to be applied to any changes that were made to the game after release. Which is why it doesn't go into detail. Meaning it can be applied to pretty much any point in time before Marr's death. So the quote still applies post Battle of Ilum, which is where my argument is centered.
I'm not talking about before the game was released, you cretin. I'm talking about the fact that the Codex Entry would have been made for the Battle of Ilum so the player could find it during the battle of Ilum. That's how time works. Marr's accolade also isn't valid for several reasons:
1. It could be interpreted in other ways, and should be since it's talking about his political power and administrative abilities
2. The Codex Entries are still in-universe, so they are hardly objective
3. It completely contradicts the Jadus accolade you're trying to throw around
Originally posted by darthbane77
It's not cherry picking, Jadus has accolades putting him above Marr, and he has feats to back those accolades. Based on these feats and accolads, Jadus IS >all other DC members, Malgus WAS >Marr, and now Marr IS >all currently living Sith as of the end of the Battle of Ilum.
Jadus' statement of being > Marr is a character statement from Valkorion, who quite frankly was just trying to goad the player, and Watcher Two who has no idea what Marr is capable of. Marr himself isn't that impressive other than a vague quote. In fact, these quotes you're giving me are all actually less valid than the Plagueis blurb.
So we're back to square one. You have no basis other than character statements and conjecture, yet you deny more valid and objective statements since it doesn't suit your arbitrary hierarchy.
Thanaton was able to easily 1-shot Nox (and Khem) who was amped by the power of two spirits, one of which was among the greatest sorcerers from the empire with statues of him in Kaas city. Nox was already defeating powerful Jedi Masters and Sith Lords prior to getting amped and was shattering stone with their lightning. Bare in mind that 40 years prior Thanaton was able to 1-shot terentateks with lightning, yet the gap between then and his future self was immense enough that he got owned in 1 attack by a vision of his later self.
Also I like how it's "Give me something for them (barring all of the ones with actual feats and screentime) that's > Kenobi". Can Nyriss be counted in this? What about the two who shattered a citadel with their duel?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Also I like how it's "Give me something for them (barring all of the ones with actual feats and screentime) that's > Kenobi". Can Nyriss be counted in this? What about the two who shattered a citadel with their duel?
I'd agree with you on the Jadus front, but its backed up by his Dominator feat which imo is a better feat than anything else from the Empire except for the obvious exception of the Dread Masters. So the statement is supported.
Regardless though, were anyone else to be a challenge to him (like Malgus, Wrath or Nox) it would simply be because they're that good imo.