Tom Veitch who wrote both Dark Empire and Tales of the Jedi confirmed Ulic's power is > DE Luke's and nothing contradicts him.
Not to mention Ulic is far, far more powerful than a sorcerer who can one-shot Nomi Sunrider with TP, corrupt Onderon as a side effect of his spells, dominate Arca Jeth, sap the Force energy of seven prodigal Jedi Knights including the Dromas and Sunrider, and dominate millions of Iziz citizens simultaneously.
This was but a fraction of the powers of Freedon Nadd's spirit, who Exar Kun replaced in power upon Nadd's destruction, before Exar Kun got more powerful and then was stalemated by Ulic in augmentative prowess. Then Ulic gained 'tremendous dark side powers' over the following years when he reemerged as a Sith Magus whose powers had been 'transformed'.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Tom Veitch who wrote both Dark Empire and Tales of the Jedi confirmed Ulic's power is > DE Luke's and nothing contradicts him.
True, but just because nothing contradicts him, doesn't mean his emails are canon. Unless they're integrated into the continuity, they have no value.
Not to mention Ulic is far, far more powerful than a sorcerer who can one-shot Nomi Sunrider with TP, corrupt Onderon as a side effect of his spells, dominate Arca Jeth, sap the Force energy of seven prodigal Jedi Knights including the Dromas and Sunrider, and dominate millions of Iziz citizens simultaneously.
Yeah, Ulic is pretty strong. Not sure what that has to do with lightsaber dueling, though, which is what this thread is about.
This was but a fraction of the powers of Freedon Nadd's spirit, who Exar Kun replaced in power upon Nadd's destruction, before Exar Kun got more powerful and then was stalemated by Ulic in augmentative prowess. Then Ulic gained 'tremendous dark side powers' over the following years when he reemerged as a Sith Magus whose powers had been 'transformed'.
Cool. Still nothing to do with lightsabers.
Originally posted by AncientPower
ROTJ Luke ~ ROTJ Vader.
Yet, Luke admitted Vader would have demolished him had he used the Force above Endor, and his feats and Luke's feats are far and away inferior to Vader across the board.
Before you mention Black Hole's statement as if it's fact - in DE, Sidious mused that Luke had yet to surpass Vader, thus throwing a wrench in that line of reasoning.
They were only equals as martial combatants, not in the Force.
As for the thread, what has Kun done to actually put him above Vader?
Besting Voda Siosk Baas? So what? Pre-prime Vader was besting/stalemating army busting Starkiller that was stated to be "nigh-unstoppable" in combat and is factually a high level master in multiple lightsaber forms.
Add that to the fact that 'Killers Force showings is utterly ridiculous and I don't see how Voda compares.
That and just because Vodo is a Weapons Master, doesn't really mean he's in a tier all his own.
I mean a Weapons Master is unique yes, but they merely just master something other than a lightsaber. It's not like Vodo is doing anything different or using any special form or ability, other than he's wielding a quarterstaff imbued with The Force which is actually less durable than a lightsaber would be since the staff can break with sufficient strength as Kun showed.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
That and just because Vodo is a Weapons Master, doesn't really mean he's in a tier all his own.I mean a Weapons Master is unique yes, but they merely just master something other than a lightsaber. It's not like Vodo is doing anything different or using any special form or ability, other than he's wielding a quarterstaff imbued with The Force which is actually less durable than a lightsaber would be since the staff can break with sufficient strength as Kun showed.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Essentially the same thing. They become specialists and then masters.
Being a Jedi Weapons Master is a rare prestigious position only a handful in the Jedi's history have attained and each Weapons Master is by definition one of the greatest duelists in the Order's history.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
No they are completely different things. To become an exotic weapons specialist you just have to master an exotic weapon.Being a Jedi Weapons Master is a rare prestigious position only a handful in the Jedi's history have attained and each Weapons Master is by definition one of the greatest duelists in the Order's history.
From what I'm reading, they are the same thing, I'm not seeing anything that really separates the two. Yes the Weapons Master are a select bunch, but I'm talking about as what they trained in and so on. It's essentially the same thing, both of them use different weapons other than the normal.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
What exactly are you reading?
Jedi Path/Gamer 9.
They both pretty much outline the same things.
Although I double checked with the TCE and yeah, the rank was prestigious but that's not what I'm going on about.
What I'm saying is that they selected a weapon other than a lightsaber and went on to master said weapon.
Which Vodo did do with the Quarterstaff did he not?
Regardless though, I'm not really sure why he can't be beaten.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Jedi Path/Gamer 9.They both pretty much outline the same things.
Although I double checked with the TCE and yeah, the rank was prestigious but that's not what I'm going on about.
What I'm saying is that they selected a weapon other than a lightsaber and went on to master said weapon.
Which Vodo did do with the Quarterstaff did he not?
Regardless though, I'm not really sure why he can't be beaten.
Vodo may qualify as both a Jedi Weapons Master and an Exotic Weapons Specialist, but the two aren't the same thing.
I'm not arguing whether or not he can be beaten. I'm arguing against you devaluing the rank of Weapons Master by saying any Jedi who masters an exotic weapon can get that rank.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Jedi Path doesn't mention shit about Jedi Weapons Masters though. It talks exclusively about Exotic Weapon Specialists and says they enter a teaching role after they become Jedi Masters.Vodo may qualify as both a Jedi Weapons Master and an Exotic Weapons Specialist, but the two aren't the same thing.
I'm not arguing whether or not he can be beaten. I'm arguing against you devaluing the rank of Weapons Master by saying any Jedi who masters an exotic weapon can get that rank.
I didn't say that anyone could get the rank, I was saying that they were essentially the same thing as far as training went.