KMC Family Feud - Marvel

Cannonball & Husk

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Nightcrawler & Abyss (pre M-day)

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Psylocke and Captain Britain

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Invisible Woman & Human Torch

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Colossus and Magik

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Wiccan & Speed

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Ben Reilly & Peter Parker

I know this is a lot and there are some that aren't there but I tried to keep it balanced.

fight takes place in the Danger Room that changes its program every 5 minutes to a different time period ranging from prehistoric to present time but the location will always be NYC. so it can go from skyscrapers to complete forest and everything between.

No one is bloodlusted, or amped past their current status right now unless stated otherwise. and must fight until dead or incapacitated.

which team takes it?

Magik could just dump everyone into Limbo, no?

I was assuming no BFR except to use teleportation within the danger room.

Magik and Colossus. Mostly due to being the most hax plus she basically negates the other versatile character Wiccan. She has TP shields to protect from Betsy. Magical shields, demon hordes, cloaking, illusions, mystical senses to track Sue, transmutation, hell fire, etc...She has a counter for everyone here. She also has the least morals. Honestly Colossus is a non factor. I guess she can use him as wrecking ball by porting him into people.

If this is bloodlust Wiccan turns into the Demiurge and wrecks the universe.

i think in a free for all team rumble it's doubtful she's going to be to do all that before 'somebody gets to her. she and colossus could win but its not a stomp I don't see her dealing with parker and reilly well. or the fantastic team for that matter.

The mass of demons she can summon to the battlefield would be enough to occupy everyone.

I thought her powers were on the fritz

abyss could open a portal an clear the demons too. TBH I didn't know magik has become so OP with Dr strange upgrade

Magik can screw around w/ pre cog even her demons can by pass limited pre cog like spider senses

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Illusions to make them fight each other
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She can go in cloaked, not just invisible but completely cloaked

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She can shut down teleporters

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She can heal herself and others
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She has shields that took on a moon busting attack
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Her demons can possess anyone and anything
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She can just absorb people into her Soul Sword
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turn intangible

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Turn them into demons
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She can even freeze them, depower them or manipulate time.

Good thinking. All those powers will come in handy when Psylocke mind controls Magik into fighting everyone else. 👆

Originally posted by StyleTime
All those powers will come in handy when Psylocke mind controls Magik into fighting everyone else.

Nope. Xavier, Emma and Shadowking can't get in her mind.

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Scott needed way more than Betsy when he wanted Magik contained
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Originally posted by nwg202
Nope. Xavier, Emma and Shadowking can't get in her mind.

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Scott needed way more than Betsy when he wanted Magik contained
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We can't freeze Magik 30 years in the past. Her tp defenses were bound to fade eventually, especially with the telepathic power creep everyone's gotten. And this is Psylocke, the first and only telepath to break through Fantomex's defenses. If Mindee is a problem for Illyana, Betsy is a nightmare.

Fortunately, blood-lust isn't on, so this match will be chaotic though.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I disagree. She's been mind controlled before multiple times. Future Xavier did it, Mindee Cuckoo psychically tortured her, and Karma has possessed her too.
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We can't freeze Magik 30 years in the past. Her tp defenses were bound to fade eventually, especially with the telepathic power creep everyone's gotten. And this is Psylocke, the first and only telepath to break through Fantomex's defenses. If Mindee is a problem for Illyana, Betsy is a nightmare.

Fortunately, blood-lust isn't on, so this match will be chaotic though.

That's kinda of a low showing and writer probably forgot she had shields on. Just like how they forgot her teleportation is he mutant power and not magical in nature in Doc Strange's book. She was able to block Emma w/ Cerebra. Legion also had to resort to hypnotism when Magik said she said psy-shields on. IIRC also that was Mindee who was being mind controlled by either future Xavier or Jean. So that wasn't just her own power. That one showing can't undo so many showings of her resisting TP.

Karma has possessed her but she's also resisted Karma as well.
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Karma was able to possess Amora, the same Amora who could block out Xavier

I didn't just post one showing though, and other telepaths have gotten into her head too. Young Jean and Xavier being examples. Mindee was forced to attack, but she wasn't being amped. That Xavier was busy controlling his own team and powering his Xorn Jean doll. He figured using a Cuckoo would be easier than trying to overcome all remaining X-men, so ge sneak attacked Mindee and used her.

Amora was dazed when Karma did that, as she doesn't have inherent psi-defense like some. Monet and Xavier did get into her head before she actually activated her magic.

Magik has resistance true. So does Wolverine. Or Gambit. Or Madison Jeffries. Or Sage. Etc. It doesn't give them immunity though, and they've all fallen prey to telepathic shenanigans. The telepathic landscape has just grown so much since that era of "grrr, my dark/hardcore mind shields me from tp, rawr."

This match isn't as cut and dry and you're making it.

I agree she has resistance, a high degree of resistance and she's shown that vs telepaths more powerful than Betsy.

Betsy, Jean, Xavier, etc.. have been able to affect Cain through his helmet but people still believe him immune to TP. Magik should have more layers of protection vs most opponents out there. Which means she could port out and totally sever the TP hold like when she ported out the New mutants and broke shadow king's TP hold on them.

Does Betsy have the same resistance vs magic? Her magic has also harmed people who supposed to be immune to magic. Heck, the Silver surfer couldn't undo her magic. Magik has also always been portrayed as a bigger powerhouse compared to Betsy. Even during her first showings it's been said that it's her destiny to destroy humanity.

Magik was able to let Emma into her brain when she lowered her shields, the same storyline she was able to block out Emma amped by Cerebra.

She's also been affected or outright taken over by telepaths less powerful than Betsy too. Regardles, this is current, post AOA-Jean upgrade Betsy, who has done some things even Xavier and Jean couldn't. She's just a totally different animal these days.

On Cain, it'd derail the thread.

Betsy doesn't have any magic resistance in particular, aside from what her TK could block I guess.

My issue here was the notion that Magik is waltzing through this completely unthreatened by anyone here. That's the picture you've been painting, which isn't true. Magik, generally speaking, gets a wicked case of Highball Syndrome tbh.

This is an interesting match with a lot of combatants, especially since bloodlust is off.

Going by feats and even going by victories vs really powerful opponents she certianly has the biggest chances of winning here. She's the only one here who has counters for all the combatants involved.

Going by raw power the only person that is more powerful than is a blodlusted wiccan. She a hell lord and sorcerer supreme.

Honestly Magik is nerfed pretty hard in order for her to function in a typical x-men story. What stops her from flooding the area w demons or taking every fight to limbo? They even forgot about her armor w the costume change with no explanation given. I'd agree with you if you can show me a statement where she lost her psy shields or that her powers are much weaker now outside of the no magic thing happening in stranges book.

Lots of characters are nerfed for story purposes though(not always bad if it's narratively justifiable). She's powerful no doubt, but this fight has a lot of factors in it. Even if Psylocke doesn't full on mind control from the get go, psychic interference could wreak havoc here. Brian or Invisible Woman could KO her while she's fighting Betsy's influence, for example.

Eh let's just agree to disagree. In a battle forum setting where everyone is operating at their best. She really has what it takes to crush everyone here. She's a ruler (who can pull random powers out of her ass) of an ominiversal dimension w/ endless demon hordes.

Having an endless demon horde with all sorts of powers makes for great crowd control.

She's the most ruthless and the most cunning. She's also the most mobile. ( best combat teleporation feats around) She defeated the Elder Gods w/ her brains and has manipulated a ton of characters including the x-men to suit her needs.

Power wise she's only dwarfed by a bloodlusted Wiccan, Standard Wiccan gets his powers canceled by the Soul Sword.

Even with all the nerfs for her type of powers, (no bfr, no limbo, no time travel, etc...) She has the most versatile offense and defense and outside of Wiccan it's not even close.

Raw power- Wiccan (multiversal reality warper)>>>>>>>>Magik (Hell Lord)>>>>>everyone else.

Cool. I don't have a problem with you thinking she wins. I just wanted to shed light on the other side here. With regards to Psylocke specifically, she isn't the most "powerful" on the field in terms of destructive capacity. Human Torch could easily outdo her, for example. I just think current Psylocke, who was smashing psi-defenses and even penetrating immunities pre-upgrade, is also capable of taking this. She's aware of the threat Illyana presents, so is quite likely to look Magik's way at match start.

But it's just a hard call. Most large battles are. Husk, who has outran bullets fired before she even de-skinned, could just as easily blitz someone while they engage with someone else. She literally set the ground on fire she was moving so fast. There's a lot of threats on this field.

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