Originally posted by nwg202
I said no one has as many high end showings as Magik. Multiple high end showings. She has a track record of beating characters Betsy has no hope of beating.Magik has beaten a multiple characters who are sky father and hell lord level characters. She's had her demon armies wipe out entire time lines. She's gone into Legion's head and wrecked his personalities. She has resisted several powerful Telepaths like Xavier multiple times. She's beaten characters like Strange, Demon Juggernaut, Legion, etc..
She's the x-men's designated team buster not Betsy.
Forcing Fantomex to take off his mask not as impressive as stomping on Dormammu w/o prep in a one on one battle. Why would Betsy also win in a quick draw? Magik also only has to think to get an attack off.
I can't believe people actually think Betsy can take Magik on in a forum setting. What's next Betsy can take on Thor, the Avengers and the Phoenix 5 since Xavier put them all to sleep at the same time?
Again, you're talking high end only here. You keep mentioning Xavier, but Betsy has high end feats objectively above him. For all Magik's destructive capacity, she could still get put to sleep, as she doesn't have the feats to resist someone who can bypass complete telepathic immunity. It's a matchup issue.
Even CIS off, the best Magik is getting is a quick draw scenario.
Originally posted by nwg202
Forcing Fantomex to take off his mask not as impressive as stomping on Dormammu w/o prep in a one on one battle.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Blitz, cloaking, summoning aid and attacking from a different dimension.
Why would that be outlandish? Magik has cloaked herself more than a couple of times. She does summon demons to attack for her. It's even the main attack of her video game character.
She's attacked from Limbo several times. Certainly more times than Flash has IMP'ed, Gladiator fighting in nanoseconds, Surfer opening up blackholes, Shaman freezing time or Shaman X-man shifting into planck or genui-vell trapping someone between two universes.
She does tele-blitz more than most teleporters. She took out that inhuman who took down an entire team of x-men before he could activate his powers. Not only does she blitz but she completely blindsides opponents. (Attack from behind) She's done that to Ant-man, an Illusion of Black bolt, a cosmic slaughter lord, Mephisto, etc..
Originally posted by StyleTime
Cool.Again, you're talking high end only here. You keep mentioning Xavier, but Betsy has high end feats objectively above him. For all Magik's destructive capacity, she could still get put to sleep, as she doesn't have the feats to resist someone who can bypass complete telepathic immunity. It's a matchup issue.
Even CIS off, the best Magik is getting is a quick draw scenario.
She knocked him out. Yes, it is impressive telepathically speaking, considering the folks who have failed to do the same thing. Namely, the folks you keep defending Magik with.
I'm not talking about one high end feat. I'm talking about high end averages. If it's just one feat that means Betsy can take down the Spectre since people like MM have gone into his head.
Magik has beaten Legion. But due to Legion's stature, how he was meant to be written, his power set and numerous high end showings, you won't find me arguing that Magik can beat Legion in a forum setting. Legion blinks Magik out of existence.
There isn't really an average in high end discussions though. And it's not the only thing she has. She's beaten Shadow King on the astral plane, who was beating Xavier so badly that Xavier's physical body was being ground to dust. This is while he was also controlling people like Legion. And she was under the effects of a power dampener during the Fantomex feat too. Current Psylocke has some silly high-ends, and due to the upgrade from AoA-Jean, any high feat she's ever had is applicable.
High end interpretations may as well be different characters. Betsy wouldn't get past Fantomex's mask in normal circumstances, for example. And Shadow King would probably leave her a drooling mess.
As for the actual thread, like I said, it's not easy for anyone here.