Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@leoBP's energy daggers can phase through adamantium, as seen with Ultron, afaik. That's why these BP/Wolverine threads are even still going.
But I don't see ED doing as much damage as multiple punches from f*cking WWH, no.
ah, cool. 👆
then that COULD change things then, no doubt. not sure how much impact they would have, but i get the argument better now. as much as hulk pounding him? no, clearly, but could it ko him? i go back to my earlier point--likely depends which showings you choose to go by. it took a bunch of blows by hulk to take logan down for a while. could a dagger do that? doesn't seem likely to me but maybe enough to turn the tide in some of the fights? without seeing it, it's pretty well impossible to say. we also have to assume logan will get hit in the head by one and it's not like he's slow, or unskilled so that in itself is in question. i'd still take logan, but without knowing exactly how the dagger would impact him (it could simply make him berserk, no way to say it wouldn't...) it's a tougher call.
Do BP's energy daggers disappear after they're used or do they maintain their physical presence? I ask because while I don't doubt that Wolverine heal the damage done if they disappear, it's going to be a different story if the thing is still effectively stuck in his head. Like in the Deadpool movie when he was tripping while he still had a knife in the brain.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Do BP's energy daggers disappear after they're used or do they maintain their physical presence? I ask because while I don't doubt that Wolverine heal the damage done if they disappear, it's going to be a different story if the thing is still effectively stuck in his head. Like in the Deadpool movie when he was tripping while he still had a knife in the brain.
Difficult to answer. But he can create an unlimited number of them. He can either throw them, handle them like a knife, or fire them. They also have different settings. You can determine how serious Panther is about the fight by what color they are.
Originally posted by leonidas
ah, cool. 👆then that COULD change things then, no doubt. not sure how much impact they would have, but i get the argument better now. as much as hulk pounding him? no, clearly, but could it ko him? i go back to my earlier point--likely depends which showings you choose to go by. it took a bunch of blows by hulk to take logan down for a while. could a dagger do that? doesn't seem likely to me but maybe enough to turn the tide in some of the fights? without seeing it, it's pretty well impossible to say. we also have to assume logan will get hit in the head by one and it's not like he's slow, or unskilled so that in itself is in question. i'd still take logan, but without knowing exactly how the dagger would impact him (it could simply make him berserk, no way to say it wouldn't...) it's a tougher call.
Hulk's punch's aren't necessarily the upper limit, though. His didn't exactly use a common tactic seen in a million fights. (Normally, he simply gets ragdolled, instead of braced.)
They didn't even directly damage the brain, because indestructible metal.. It was all the impact making it rattle around. A car crash's worth of force repeated about six times in a row could do the same (MUCH less then Hulk could do.)
Brace Logan's head like Hulk did, and I'd bet money any number of characters can cause enough brain damage. Namor, Thing, or hell even Luke Cage or Iron Fist.
Even Spider-Man (Who habitually pulls his punches after being traumatized at crippling Sin Eater) was having an effect when he was pummeling him on that tombstone.
Originally posted by cdtm
That's it for Logan then. Elektra incapacitated him by keeping her sai in a nerve in his back. T'challa could turn him into a pin-cushion, burying a knife in every nerve he has.
Well if Ennis was writing this battle, all BP would need is a throat chop to incapacitate Wolvy. 😎
Originally posted by cdtm
Hulk's punch's aren't necessarily the upper limit, though. His didn't exactly use a common tactic seen in a million fights. (Normally, he simply gets ragdolled, instead of braced.)They didn't even directly damage the brain, because indestructible metal.. It was all the impact making it rattle around. A car crash's worth of force repeated about six times in a row could do the same (MUCH less then Hulk could do.)
Brace Logan's head like Hulk did, and I'd bet money any number of characters can cause enough brain damage. Namor, Thing, or hell even Luke Cage or Iron Fist.
Even Spider-Man (Who habitually pulls his punches after being traumatized at crippling Sin Eater) was having an effect when he was pummeling him on that tombstone.
only reason hulk could pull that off was because of his own hf and invulnerability. anyone else grabs him like that and they are shredded by the claws. spidey couldn't even stop him from smiling....
as for the sai--maybe bp could pull it off i guess. again, everyone seems to just assume bp is more skilled and can do all this without getting stabbed. logan was distracted wasn't he when she stabbed him to paralyze him? can't recall the scene exactly but i thought he was fighting shield guys or something...
anyway, you've convinced me logan doesn't decimate him but it still seems to me logan has the advantage in this fight. bp has to fight almost perfectly to score these incapacitating hits. logan is as fast and skilled as bp is, while it doesn't really matter where logan hits him. one good slash anywhere would make it even more tough on bp and one GOOD slash ends the fight. i'll still take logan but given what i've heard it would be closer than i first thought.
Spidey vs Logan was still early in their career though.
Spidey was supposedly strong enough to snap his neck but not enough to inconvenience him by punching.
While I don't think BP has any way of doing it, repeated blows is definitely the way to go. Bricks would do a lot better if they didn't keep punching him across town.
Originally posted by leonidas1. Not really; Logan isn't that strong (at least by brick standards). It would be dangerous, but if someone as strong as say Luke Cage managed to grab him by both of his arms, he could push him to the ground and stomp on him until the end result if logan having brain damage.
only reason hulk could pull that off was because of his own hf and invulnerability. anyone else grabs him like that and they are shredded by the claws. spidey couldn't even stop him from smiling....as for the sai--maybe bp could pull it off i guess. again, everyone seems to just assume bp is more skilled and can do all this without getting stabbed. logan was distracted wasn't he when she stabbed him to paralyze him? can't recall the scene exactly but i thought he was fighting shield guys or something...
anyway, you've convinced me logan doesn't decimate him but it still seems to me logan has the advantage in this fight. bp has to fight almost perfectly to score these incapacitating hits. logan is as fast and skilled as bp is, while it doesn't really matter where logan hits him. one good slash anywhere would make it even more tough on bp and one GOOD slash ends the fight. i'll still take logan but given what i've heard it would be closer than i first thought.
2. The difference in skill between panther and Logan is likely a wash, but Logan doesn't use his skill that often. Out of his what- 10,000 appearances he's probably used his skills about a maximum of 3,000 times (I'm almost certainly certainly high balling that number). I know that these characters are fighting to the best of their ability, but they're also supposed to fight in character.
Originally posted by deathslash
1. Not really; Logan isn't that strong (at least by brick standards). It would be dangerous, but if someone as strong as say Luke Cage managed to grab him by both of his arms, he could push him to the ground and stomp on him until the end result if logan having brain damage.2. The difference in skill between panther and Logan is likely a wash, but Logan doesn't use his skill that often. Out of his what- 10,000 appearances he's probably used his skills about a maximum of 3,000 times (I'm almost certainly certainly high balling that number). I know that these characters are fighting to the best of their ability, but they're also supposed to fight in character.
still not seeing how someone just grabs him without being stabbed, not that it matters for this fight. pretty sure luke wouldn't be too eager to rush in a grab logan...
and that is still plenty of skill feats to assume he would be able to match panther in a forum fight though. just seems in a fight where all stats are basically a wash, the guy who can kill with a shot would win more often than not against the guy who needs to find either an unproven/speculated-upon way to win, or score a much more difficult incapacitating blow on the other guy. /shrug
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And is supposedly faster.By that I mean, the showing is meant to show BP is superior, yes? Faster (he dodged Wolvy's first strike), more skilled etc.
If he is superior...how did Wolvy sneak attack him?
Happens to the best of them.
Iron Fist was dropped by Black Tarantula from behind.
And BT was dropped by White Tiger.
The Question cleans up four ninja's who decimated seven elite commando's, and then gets dropped by one of them he crippled and thought out of it (And who was crawling across the floor.)
Even the mighty Batman has been taken from behind by thugs.